Hayden Hurst Visiting Panthers

[dldove77]

 

[dldove77]

Couple of the guys on the huddle after getting this news:

[shaqattaq]

4 minutes ago, dldove77 said:

Couple of the guys on the huddle after getting this news:

Not mentioning any names. but...

[SOJA]

I read an interesting article on Hurst yesterday about his promising pro baseball career that ended with him getting the yips. I'm a huge advocate for mental health, so I would never disparage someone suffering but it makes you wonder if that would carry over to the NFL with catching the ball. Probably not, but I bet it is scaring some teams. 

 

edit: Here's the article http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768162-how-hayden-hurst-went-from-baseball-flameout-to-potential-1st-round-nfl-pick

definitely worth a read 

[countryboi]

I dont know if I would be comfortable picking him at 24 but im sure he would be gone by late round 2. 

[Jangler]

19 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Not mentioning any names. but...

male Haydens should not do this, not that there is anything wrong with it...

[Ship]

Hurst or Reid in the 1st. This guy is gonna be a stud.

[RumHam]

40 minutes ago, Ship said:

Hurst or Reid in the 1st. This guy is gonna be a stud.

Those are both reaches at 24 IMO. There's a chance they are there in 2nd. If Norv has a plan to implement Hurst into the offense rather than just being another Dickson, then i'm more inclined to pick him at 24. However, can he play safety? I really think 1st round should be BPA but if there's a talent drop off and no one falls, then yeah go Reid.

[Adb6368]

I don't like the idea of picking a TE who will be 25 when the season starts... 

[Fox007]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Those are both reaches at 24 IMO. There's a chance they are there in 2nd. If Norv has a plan to implement Hurst into the offense rather than just being another Dickson, then i'm more inclined to pick him at 24. However, can he play safety? I really think 1st round should be BPA but if there's a talent drop off and no one falls, then yeah go Reid.

And we're not drafting a S in the first, just gonna keep saying it like every year.

[Ship]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

Those are both reaches at 24 IMO. There's a chance they are there in 2nd. If Norv has a plan to implement Hurst into the offense rather than just being another Dickson, then i'm more inclined to pick him at 24. However, can he play safety? I really think 1st round should be BPA but if there's a talent drop off and no one falls, then yeah go Reid.

Idk, I think where we're at in the bottom of the 1st the line between reaches and value gets pretty blurred. 

- WR: top guys won't fall and we find ourselves adding our most valuable pick to a group we also spent a lot of burn on in FA to fill up and have drafted round 1 or 2 three times in the past four years and we have what to show for it? i think we don't have the capital to keep putting that kinda investment on the same position group, especially when we're looking at the 3rd or 4th guy off the board.

- G: I look at it this way-- we're gonna replace our UDFA with a first round pick? that's a huge waste of value, especially when you consider our other pro bowl guard who we kept was a 3rd rounder. I think the comp for Norwell by himself is a third and that's where we should be picking his replacement at the maximum.

- T: kinda doubt this is in play here.

- DE: maybe, if a real stud falls for some reason, but there are some interesting options in round 2 or 3.

- RB: would be pretty rough to see and again poor value for the team when we spend a top pick on CMC a year before. also, plenty of guys out there in later rounds to fill the role we want.

- C: see guard.

- DT: people would flip and see Vernon Butler. BPA doesn't matter when you're sitting behind two pro bowlers in a rotation.

- LB: would be kinda how i feel about RB or DE. not a top priority, especially with a top pick.

I value a S higher than a CB for this team. Grabbing one of the top Ses in this draft will give us the following: young leadership on the back end, speed to our consistently oldest position group, versatility in coverage and run game, help clearing up the middle of the field that the Saints shredded us in with their RBs, Ginn, and Thomas. We've got CBs and a new guy is fighting a vet for the second CB spot and a CB won't do as much on the field as a top S will do.

Reid won't be there at our 2nd rounder and giving up anything to go get him at the top of around 2 is a waste of value. If he's there at 24, I'd take him no problem.

Greg is gonna break down fast. I said it last offseason. He knew he was getting to the end and he wanted more money while he still has the chance. Now we have reports of him being one foot out the door for any broadcasting job. Losing his level of performance will do a lot more damage to this offense than not adding another WR to an already re-worked room. We need to go get someone and Hurst is Hunter Henry all over again. I think pretty much everyone would say BPA over Henry wasn't worth it. He'd be high value because he either is there to step in for Greg going down again or he is learning and running as a TE2 with the ability to open up the playbook even more for Norv.

The most impactful positions to fill on our team are S or TE and I don't think taking one of the top guys (or the top guy for TEs) is a reach to make this team more complete going into the season.

[MHS831]

36 minutes ago, Adb6368 said:

I don't like the idea of picking a TE who will be 25 when the season starts... 

I used to think the same way, but consider contracts--if you draft him at 25 you are getting an athlete in his prime for 4 years.  He is 29 or 30 when his "cheap" contract expires.  At 30, his bargaining power for big contract is rather reduced. 

 

 

[AU-panther]

I don't understand why people are convinced Hurst is a reach at 24 but Reid isn't?

Both of them I've seen anywhere from later first to second.

Daniel Jeremiah didn't even have him on his top 50

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000924797/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-30

Mayock has him as his 5th best safety

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916367/article/mike-mayocks-2018-nfl-draft-position-rankings

I'm not saying these guys are right but you usually see a pretty good consensus on the top 20-30 guys.

Personally I'm a big fan of Reid , just not convinced its a sure thing the team is.

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, Ship said:

Idk, I think where we're at in the bottom of the 1st the line between reaches and value gets pretty blurred. 

- WR: top guys won't fall and we find ourselves adding our most valuable pick to a group we also spent a lot of burn on in FA to fill up and have drafted round 1 or 2 three times in the past four years and we have what to show for it? i think we don't have the capital to keep putting that kinda investment on the same position group, especially when we're looking at the 3rd or 4th guy off the board.

- G: I look at it this way-- we're gonna replace our UDFA with a first round pick? that's a huge waste of value, especially when you consider our other pro bowl guard who we kept was a 3rd rounder. I think the comp for Norwell by himself is a third and that's where we should be picking his replacement at the maximum.

- T: kinda doubt this is in play here.

- DE: maybe, if a real stud falls for some reason, but there are some interesting options in round 2 or 3.

- RB: would be pretty rough to see and again poor value for the team when we spend a top pick on CMC a year before. also, plenty of guys out there in later rounds to fill the role we want.

- C: see guard.

- DT: people would flip and see Vernon Butler. BPA doesn't matter when you're sitting behind two pro bowlers in a rotation.

- LB: would be kinda how i feel about RB or DE. not a top priority, especially with a top pick.

I value a S higher than a CB for this team. Grabbing one of the top Ses in this draft will give us the following: young leadership on the back end, speed to our consistently oldest position group, versatility in coverage and run game, help clearing up the middle of the field that the Saints shredded us in with their RBs, Ginn, and Thomas. We've got CBs and a new guy is fighting a vet for the second CB spot and a CB won't do as much on the field as a top S will do.

Reid won't be there at our 2nd rounder and giving up anything to go get him at the top of around 2 is a waste of value. If he's there at 24, I'd take him no problem.

Greg is gonna break down fast. I said it last offseason. He knew he was getting to the end and he wanted more money while he still has the chance. Now we have reports of him being one foot out the door for any broadcasting job. Losing his level of performance will do a lot more damage to this offense than not adding another WR to an already re-worked room. We need to go get someone and Hurst is Hunter Henry all over again. I think pretty much everyone would say BPA over Henry wasn't worth it. He'd be high value because he either is there to step in for Greg going down again or he is learning and running as a TE2 with the ability to open up the playbook even more for Norv.

The most impactful positions to fill on our team are S or TE and I don't think taking one of the top guys (or the top guy for TEs) is a reach to make this team more complete going into the season.

Good breakdown, I agree w/you