The Run and Shoot

[ladypanther]

38 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I'd be happy to see the Panthers just roll Cam out of the pocket sometimes to get away from pressure. Shula didn't seem to know that existed. 

AMEN!!

[d-dave]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hard to say.  Not his base attack, but with that said Norv has (occasionally) shown willingness to be flexible.  Plus he knows he's never worked with a quarterback quite like Newton.

I wanna say he could work in some concepts here, at least as part of a "hurry up" kind of attack.

I think we'd all love to see the Panthers work in more hurry up.  That always seems to have been where we really kicked it into high gear and make plays.

[ecu88]

4 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I think we'd all love to see the Panthers work in more hurry up.  That always seems to have been where we really kicked it into high gear and make plays.

I agree! With speedy WRs we have that might even be a great idea actually. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Some folks on here might be too young to know what that term means. 

For those who do, I'm finding that a lot of our current receiver lineup (Moore, Samuel, Smith, Byrd) would have fit pretty well into a run and shoot attack like the Lions, Oilers and Falcons used to run.

Run and shoot was almost like backyard football, less rigid than a lot of offensive systems.  It was different for the QB too, less strict progression and more "find the open guy".

Norv Turner is definitely familiar with this kind of offense, but he's never run it.  I don't expect he would here either, but pondering our personnel we have with the way those old offenses used to run, I kind of wonder if some of those concepts could work with who we have. 

And if you remember, Turner did say in his "summer" feature that offense didn't need to be complicated.  Norv's quote, "just find the open guy and throw it to him" is run and shoot in a nutshell.

To others who remember the old run and shoot offenses - or who get the concepts, anyway - what would you think?

I think the run and shoot concepts are used by many teams and as you say might be more natural for Cam. Here is a discussion using a go route using a trips formation. It did say the quarterback has to start his read progressions sometimes while dropping back which Cam seems to struggle with. He likes to complete his drop and then begin looking.

https://www.completeheadcoach.com/run-shoot-go-route/

[thennek]

I think it was Buddy Ryan that used to call the “run and shoot offense” the “the chuck and duck”...LOL. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, thennek said:

I think it was Buddy Ryan that used to call the “run and shoot offense” the “the chuck and duck”...LOL. 

Yeah, that's what he called June Jones' Falcons offense, shortly before losing to them.

[pantherclaw]

 

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

Not to say you are wrong, but do you recall the goal line play that was a design rollout to CMC in the flat and he threw it at his feet?

Or in 2016 the rollout to the weak side and he threw the ball to dickson wide open in the end zone and it was short

These are top of mind, and as seldom as we ran rollouts (which I think that Cam is not strong at this currently) his accuracy was definitely glaring.

I can search for more issues with his rollouts, but I think you can recall what I am speaking of.

Yeah I remember those but a few plays out of a few plays doesn't mean much.

[TheCasillas]

7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

 

Yeah I remember those but a few plays out of a few plays doesn't mean much.

I must of missed typing something out....  I only shared those because they are top of mind.

These are not the only two games where Cam has shown throwing on the run is not his strong suit.

The biggest thing I don't anticipate Cam doing many roll-outs unless it is a designed run or a misdirection play.

I'd say if you feel I am picking only certain plays to favor my perspective, maybe provide counter points or evidence?

[The Huddler]

Find the open guy... 

 

 

why run a complicated slow pace offense when you can do whats above anyway? Isnt that what any offense wants?

 

Simplify, speed it up... i feel newton would be a stud in this system

 

reminds me of his Auburn Offense

[BigSyke]

If CAM perfected the roll out bootleg throw in redzone ...he would be crazy effective.

I mean you either choose to stop him from running past you or cover CMC/OLSEN.

[trueblade]

Maybe we run this, but I don't recall seeing it. This is a variation on Blue-29 Waggle.  Cam bootlegs with Moton and Turner pulling in front of him. CMC coming across short, Olsen behind him, Moore on the Go route, and I'd use Funchess on the Post (pic shows a TE). Think about trying to stop this. Cam can run behind the guards, throw it short CMC or Olsen, or throw it long to Moore or Funchess.

 

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I must of missed typing something out....  I only shared those because they are top of mind.

These are not the only two games where Cam has shown throwing on the run is not his strong suit.

The biggest thing I don't anticipate Cam doing many roll-outs unless it is a designed run or a misdirection play.

I'd say if you feel I am picking only certain plays to favor my perspective, maybe provide counter points or evidence?

I've seen enough from Cam, to know he is capable of making every throw, from the pocket, on the run. Designed, or improvised, does not matter. 

If you can't admit that, then I don't  know what you've been watching since cam has been in the league. 

He makes errant throws,  from any position, but let's not try to label him because of that.

[TheCasillas]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

I've seen enough from Cam, to know he is capable of making every throw, from the pocket, on the run. Designed, or improvised, does not matter. 

If you can admit that, then I don't  know what you've been watching since cam has been in the league. 

He makes errant throws,  from any position, but let's not try to label him because of that.

You are going a different direction with this conversation. Never mind.

[poorboysrev]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's kinda what they did with read-option, but I'm not a fan.

With the receivers we have, run and shoot could potentially be the better choice.

And heck, all of us watching would sure be having a blast

Oh yeah we're on same page with the read option. I just think Cam plays better fast and aggressive than when they try to just have him game manage and play to the defense. Reminds me of favre in Minnesota. I hope norv incorporates some uptempo, nohuddle early in games instead of just in the 2 min offense or when we're down 2-3 scores.