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Former Seahawk says some players now question Carroll

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Per Cliff Avril...

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Now that Seattle's celebrated Legion of Boom defense has started to crumble, it's natural to wonder if the dynasty window has closed with just one Lombardi Trophy in the Pete Carroll era.

If not for Malcolm Butler's history-altering interception that swung Super Bowl XLIX in New England's direction, in fact, recently released defensive end Cliff Avril believes his ring finger wouldn't be so lonesome.

"You think about what could have happened," Avril said Thursday on the Dave Dameshek Football Program. "If we win that Super Bowl, I think we probably would have won another one within the two years that went by."

It's certainly reasonable for a talented professional athlete to believe his star-studded squad would have achieved even greater heights if the ball had bounced differently. In this case, though, Avril also believes the Seahawks would have been more successful had Carroll handled the end of that title game with more aplomb.

"I do think the team would have bought in more to what Coach Carroll was saying," Avril explained, "instead of going the opposite way of, hey, this is what we thought the foundation of the team was, and that's not what happened in that particular play.

"So I think guys started questioning him more, more so than actually following his lead if we'd won that Super Bowl."

Having reached a football epiphany relatively late in his coaching career, Carroll has reinvented himself as one of the NFL's most philosophically open and psychologically agile figures. Although he has conceded that his decision to pass the ball in that situation was "the worst result of a call ever," he also insisted that the journey means more than the moment.

From Avril's perspective, the moment has haunted the Seahawks ever since.

"The situation sucked regardless of who took the blame," Avril continued. "It's just the fact that we were so close and we weren't able to get it, so I think a lot of guys got turned off by the message."

Seahawks began to question Pete Carroll after Super Bowl XLIX

 

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Hindsight,..other teams are playing too,.. Malcolm made the play of his life,..9 out of 10 it was a touchdown,..just not that time.

and if his team quit on him after that, then they didn’t deserve the Super Bowl they got,.. complete losers forever.

you are defined by how you lose more than how you win.

 

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I would start doubting my coach as well putting his QBs ego and legacy over the team. There was NO way Lynch doesn't punch that one in from 1 yard. Carroll also knew this and got cute thinking it was an automatic win, so he tried to inflate his QB's legacy by letting him get the game winning TD in the superbowl. Couldn't have happened to a better organization.

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12 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Well I could also say. If Russell’s Wilson’s fluke bullsht plays went the other way then they wouldn’t have any superbowls.

The single luckiest football player I’ve ever seen in my life. Usually I say when a guy pulls something off over and over again it’s not luck, but I’m sorry, slinging a ball across your body into triple coverage while falling down is pure horseshit luck and the guy has been doing it dating back to his college days. That back breaking Super Bowl INT to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was a lifetime’s worth of bad luck catching up.

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43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The single luckiest football player I’ve ever seen in my life. Usually I say when a guy pulls something off over and over again it’s not luck, but I’m sorry, slinging a ball across your body into triple coverage while falling down is pure horseshit luck and the guy has been doing it dating back to his college days. That back breaking Super Bowl INT to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was a lifetime’s worth of bad luck catching up.

The Packers game before that SB was the luckiest fuging thing I've ever seen in my life, not even close. Luckier than someone winning the damn mega millions twice. That 2 point conversion Wilson ran around to like the 50 yard line and just tossed it up to the Jumbotron and bam tie game.

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1 hour ago, OneBadCat said:

Well I could also say. If Russell’s Wilson’s fluke bullsht plays went the other way then they wouldn’t have any superbowls.

DeAngelo’s fumble in the opener-we lost the #1 seed in that moment.  The dynamics of everything change if we are the #1 seed.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The single luckiest football player I’ve ever seen in my life. Usually I say when a guy pulls something off over and over again it’s not luck, but I’m sorry, slinging a ball across your body into triple coverage while falling down is pure horseshit luck and the guy has been doing it dating back to his college days. That back breaking Super Bowl INT to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was a lifetime’s worth of bad luck catching up.

100% agreed. Wilson's success has had more to do with luck than anything.dide can be scrambling around all over the place, get knocked down and on the way down just lobs the ball up and it lands in one of his receivers hands.

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