David Newton trying to start some controversy

[LinvilleGorge]

At the end of the day it's ultimately Tepper's call. It isn't a "rights" issue. You don't have a lot of rights in terms of how you publicly represent your employer. If your employer doesn't like the way you represent the company, you won't be there long and that's their right as an employer. No one should have to pay someone to represent their company/brand in a way they don't approve while they're performing company duties.

But, it's all a non-issue since Tepper is obviously okay with it.

[TheSpecialJuan]

You're a grand old flag,

You're a high-flying flag,

And forever in peace may you wave.

You're the emblem of the land I love,

The home of the free and the brave

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Sasquatch said:

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. BUT you're not entitled to mandate that everyone agrees with you. Many do not.

No, kneeling IS a respectful gesture, you cant say it isnt.  Throughout the history of man kneeling has been a sign of respect.  Just because Trump says it isnt, now people have a problem with it.

[lightsout]

My only issue is the tone of the first sentence. It's combative for no reason.

 

It's like saying "respectfully, he can fug himself if he doesn't like it". Saying respectfully doesn't lighten it. Hell all he had to say was "I appreciate that coach Rivera and the organization are supportive of me". 

 

No issue with kneeling or him being vocal about it, but Jesus that line would burn me up if I was Rivera.

 

 

Edit: David is a moron for even writing the article. It's just to be controversial. Nothing new or ground breaking.

[USDepartmentOfSavagery]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

Maybe fake people. The people I know are not fake. 

That’s all well and good. Intentionally, kneeling is still not disrespectful. Intent cooresponds more with being objective than opinions do. 

[KillerKat]

42 minutes ago, lightsout said:

My only issue is the tone of the first sentence. It's combative for no reason.

 

It's like saying "respectfully, he can fug himself if he doesn't like it". Saying respectfully doesn't lighten it. Hell all he had to say was "I appreciate that coach Rivera and the organization are supportive of me". 

 

No issue with kneeling or him being vocal about it, but Jesus that line would burn me up if I was Rivera.

 

 

Edit: David is a moron for even writing the article. It's just to be controversial. Nothing new or ground breaking.

yeah and him thinking Rivera doesn't have a choice lol. Rivera could cut his ass whenever he wants.

[rodeo]

isn't it funny the people who apparently know 900 military guys who are very upset about the kneeling are people with a history of being anti-kneeling

[rodeo]

anyway i have the same military background as rivera (people have started calling me military rodeo and i appreciate that) so my opinion cancels his out. it's kneeling time baby.

[Cookie Lyon]

1 hour ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

the whole military/flag angle is just a distraction to divert from the actual cause for the whole movement.

Bingo. 

[tiger7_88]

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech

Interesting.

I never realized that an employer (in this case the NFL and the Carolina Panthers) was actually "Congress".

3 hours ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Also, it’s not disrespectful to the military or the flag. 

You can pour out a cold one on my Dad's grave and tell me with 100% sincerity that you meant no offense by it, but I still have every right to take offense to your action.  My perception and thoughts are my own and you have no right to tell me how I *should* perceive or think of a particular act.

[carpanfan96]

Why would it upset anyone when kneeling is a universal sign of reverence and respect. This part I just don't understand at all. 

[bigdavis]

4 hours ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Reid has a pretty good point. Also, it’s not disrespectful to the military or the flag. 

Then why doesn't he choose to exercise his inalienable right to free speech and expression somewhere else, like on the corner of Trade and Tryon, or out in the parking lot, instead of when the National Anthem is sung, and our Flag is being flown?

The answer can only be to get attention...but to what positive end?  Has this kneeling fad corrected a single "social injustice?"

(and just before all you warriors flame me, take a sec to consider that I, too, have that same inalienable right to free expression)

[tiger7_88]

37 minutes ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Bingo. 

How about those of us that (1) believes that law enforcement absolutely shows negative and harmful bias (intentional *and* unintentional) toward the African-American community and supports efforts towards reining in the bias, power, and violence that law enforcement inflicts on those communities,  but also believes (2) that a kneeling protest while the flag and national anthem are presented is not only disrespectful, but damaging to the very cause that Reid supports (that is if his goal is to convince people to understand and/or agree with his cause and what he is trying to say with his protest)?

Believe it or not, one can fully belief both of the above things simultaneously.

The flag is merely a symbol, yes.  But it is the symbol that draped and protected my buddie's coffins as they returned home from overseas after sacrificing their last full measure.  I have a fetish about respecting it because of that.

But, at the same time, I have other buddies who have sinned the great sin of being pulled over/arrested for the serious crime (<-- please note sarcasm) of "driving while black" (and that's just one of the *minor* offenses for which African-American communities experience bias from law enforcement).

Those are two separate sets of experiences which honestly, and with all due respect, inform how I feel about this issue.

[darrybear]

3 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

people keep saying this and they could be right but over 30 of my ex-military friends (USAF and Army mostly) do not watch NFL anymore. And 12 of us use to be in a fantasy football league. So I know they were nfl fans. Plus at the VA I go to this was huge last year. SO maybe on a broad scale it may be looked at that way but my small sample says otherwise. As for me, I don't give a poo either way.  I lived through Carter, Reagan Bush, Clinton, Obama and I'll probably make it through Trump. Politics isn't my thing

Of all the things That make them feel disrespected i mean goddamn.  That flag  doesn’t mean as much to anybody who’s been through some poo. Continue to deal with this prejudice in this country and still have people want them to smile and be hunky-dory about every fuging thing. There are people who were forced to fight for this country and still came  home and be treated less than  so obviously that flag don’t mean much.( and for good reason) poo there is racism within the military there sexism within the military there’s homophobia within the military so I don’t really give a fug at this point. Now if they were going to say the VA giving all these veterans the   Run around not wanting to pay for poo that they actually earned( my dad my experience)   then maybe then I could see oh that’s disrespectful but this is just bullshit I try to understand peoples point of view and in a sense I get it,  HOWEVER at this point is just so pass bullshit.Because there are people who still serve this country who still make those same sacrifices and are still treated differently so I just don’t want to hear it I really don’t I’ve heard it from the horses mouth( black veterans, female veterans, gay veterans).