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VOTE! Kyle Allen for Rookie of the Week

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13 minutes ago, davos said:

Done.

Sidebar: It's shocking (well, maybe not) how they somehow thought Heineke was better.  Taylor was a good story and all but he had no zip on his throws or pocket awareness.  Allen was miles better in this regard.  

NOBODY thought Allen was better.  Not you, not me, not the coaches, not any other fan or self-appointed QB guru on the Huddle.  Not one person here even remotely pushed for Allen to be the backup over Heineke after watching preseason.  Allen also had several tryouts with other teams while he was sitting on his couch and not one of them thought he was worthy of even a PS spot.  In college, he lost every starting spot he had, so even in college he didn't show he was anything special.

He's always had the physical talent, but he has never put it all together.  His physical attributes are what gave him the opportunity, now he needs to show that he can play like this on a regular basis, and not just against backups on a team that is mailing it in while waiting for the playoffs to start.  He's a developmental guy that nobody saw having the kind of game he did yesterday.

 

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6 minutes ago, Woodie said:

NOBODY thought Allen was better.  Not you, not me, not the coaches, not any other fan or self-appointed QB guru on the Huddle.  Not one person here even remotely pushed for Allen to be the backup over Heineke after watching preseason.  Allen also had several tryouts with other teams while he was sitting on his couch and not one of them thought he was worthy of even a PS spot.  In college, he lost every starting spot he had, so even in college he didn't show he was anything special.

He's always had the physical talent, but he has never put it all together.  His physical attributes are what gave him the opportunity, now he needs to show that he can play like this on a regular basis, and not just against backups on a team that is mailing it in while waiting for the playoffs to start.  He's a developmental guy that nobody saw having the kind of game he did yesterday.

 

We have no clue because we dont see him on a consistent basis, but the coaches do.  Also he played agsinst starters who werent mailing it in, thats just how NO plays defense.  Their defense sucks and they win on offense, which they had none on Sunday. He also looked better than Henicke last week when he subbed for him.

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3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

We have no clue because we dont see him on a consistent basis, but the coaches do.  Also he played agsinst starters who werent mailing it in, thats just how NO plays defense.  Their defense sucks and they win on offense, which they had none on Sunday. He also looked better than Henicke last week when he subbed for him.

Lets be honest, the Saints had nothing to play for.  They were treating this like a preseason game, and were clearly not hyped up and ultra focused like they would have been if this game actually meant anything.   No, I don't think they tanked it, but their mental focus wasn't what is would have been in a meaningful game.

Yes, he did play against starters for a bit, and that's the exciting part of his performance.  Especially since he was playing behind our makeshift and porous OL.  He definitely looked like he belonged out there, but he needs to show he can do that for more than one game before we can buy into him as our long-term backup.  

As for what the coaches see, it wasn't much once the season started.  In preseason, he was a guy they brought in on a flyer to see if he can translate some of those physical tools into consistent performance.  It was more of a development deal than looking for much this year.  He was always the #4 QB, so didn't get much of a look (just like every other #4 in the league).  But once the season started, even when he was on the PS, he got very few reps, and never with the ones.  Preseason is for evaluating, the regular season is for preparing for your next opponent.  So, the coaches likely had a very limited perspective on him.  Without the benefit of hindsight, I don't think anyone but Allen and his family had any idea he was going to have that kind of performance...and that was mostly hope.

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2 hours ago, Woodie said:

NOBODY thought Allen was better.  Not you, not me, not the coaches, not any other fan or self-appointed QB guru on the Huddle.  Not one person here even remotely pushed for Allen to be the backup over Heineke after watching preseason.  Allen also had several tryouts with other teams while he was sitting on his couch and not one of them thought he was worthy of even a PS spot.  In college, he lost every starting spot he had, so even in college he didn't show he was anything special.

He's always had the physical talent, but he has never put it all together.  His physical attributes are what gave him the opportunity, now he needs to show that he can play like this on a regular basis, and not just against backups on a team that is mailing it in while waiting for the playoffs to start.  He's a developmental guy that nobody saw having the kind of game he did yesterday.

 

Understandable and I'm not saying I knew, just what I saw.  Don't forget the Saints had their starting secondary out there that first half.  He was throwing at Bell, Marcus W., Apple, Coleman, etc. it wasn't their backups.  

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