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Why Does No One Mention the Fact That We've Won Zero Playoff Games in 3 Seasons After a Super Bowl Trip?


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To me this is the most striking statistic I've seen in this post 2015 era. Pretty much all 3 seasons have been failures. We managed to have a winning record in 2017 but that doesn't mean jack squat when you get 3x swept to a divisional opponent and lose in the first wild card game. 

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Well, that type of stuff is going to happen with bewildering moves by management, a terrible handcuff of a contract that has reverberating negative effects that transcend seasons, incomplete lines, backups in your receiving corps, and injuries in general, not to mention injuries to your franchise QB's throwing shoulder. I mean, it's not a mystery that we haven't won a postseason game. In the same vein, franchise history hasn't been kind to us to have successive winning seasons, so if you look at the cycle (especially in conjunction with the aforementioned), we were not really "on schedule" to win anything at least two of the last three years.

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I think every one of us realizes this which is why 90% of the fan base wanted and expected Rivera and Hurney to be fired.

I believe Tepper is a smart guy so he obviously knows this as well. Unfortunately, building a new practice facility is more important to him than building a winning franchise.

Oh and don’t say but he’s a Steelers guy and they don’t overreact and fire their coaches. The Steelers have had 1 losing season in like the past 10 years. If that was the case for the Panthers I’d have no problem giving Ron and Hurney another chance.

It seems to me like Tepper some how still doesn’t know who he wants his GM to be so he doesn’t feel like paying two coaches. This results in lame duck seasons which is what we are currently staring at.

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18 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well, that type of stuff is going to happen with bewildering moves by management, a terrible handcuff of a contract that has reverberating negative effects that transcend seasons, incomplete lines, backups in your receiving corps, and injuries in general, not to mention injuries to your franchise QB's throwing shoulder. I mean, it's not a mystery that we haven't won a postseason game. In the same vein, franchise history hasn't been kind to us to have successive winning seasons, so if you look at the cycle (especially in conjunction with the aforementioned), we were not really "on schedule" to win anything at least two of the last three years.

We went 15-1 and went to the Super Bowl and proceeded to have one of the worst offseasons in history which ultimately led to a disastrous 6-10 season. Rivera risked the future of our franchise QB to save his job and some how it worked.

If Dave and Ron would have been fired after 2016 like they should have been we probably aren’t in this current shitty situation.

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26 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I believe Tepper is a smart guy

I’m willing to believe this but I certainly have yet to see evidence of it.  The converse, in fact.

The NFL’s history is full of owners who are/were “smart” businessmen but are/were utter failures as football-men.

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52 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Unfortunately, building a new practice facility is more important to him than building a winning franchise.

I mean, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Seeing them practice in a fkn ballroom is just silly.

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20 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

I’m willing to believe this but I certainly have yet to see evidence of it.  The converse, in fact.

The NFL’s history is full of owners who are/were “smart” businessmen but are/were utter failures as football-men.

Could be true of Tepper but at this point we simply don’t know and people don’t like that...they want to know and want to know now, regardless of evidence. History and religion teaches us the unknown is man’s biggest fear, naturally terrifies people to the point of war and denile. 

Unfortunately, that isn’t how the process works, it takes time to know and understand where this franchise is going and we will all just have to wait and see.

 

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