Arians: Drafting for need will get you fired

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

You could even say...their in their feels when they do that lol.

Pretty much.

The only people important enough to affect my "feels" are the ones in my real life, not strangers on an internet board. Can't say that's true for everybody though.

Like like I said, you brought up my name dude, I didn't bring up yours

And frankly, there there are far more interesting things to discuss in this topic than guys with an axe to grind.

[JARROD]

Fight fight fight fight! 

Haha...

lots of sour grapes today... even more tomorrow. 

No matter who we take, half are going to growl,...

[t96]

7 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

The Star / KK pair was a bit of a BPA/need selection because we were coming off of Sione Fua / Terrell McClain and whoever else was in that rotation. that selection just worked out. 

Once we got Star, DT wasn’t a “need” from my point of view. There were much bigger needs than a second DT at the time. But yeah ideally you get a BPA who can take a starting role immediately whether at a position of huge need or just improving a position of strength. Problem is guys like Butler who can barely even crack the rotation.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

Oh no. The horror of a thread about Bruce Arians not staying on topic!

Oh no, the horror of someone posting a thread about a topic that is actually interesting. 

SEND HIM TO THE GALLOWS!!!!

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

It's all about balance between two

In theory, that's nice to say.

With high picks anyway, you can't really afford to miss. Perhaps you can take more chances with lower picks. I don't k ow if that's a balance, but it's something.

[The Natural]

This is true, you have to have a balance of the two. Dave Gettleman created a "need" by botching the Norman situation and in turn wasted an entire draft trying to fix his self inflicted wound.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

In theory, that's nice to say.

With high picks anyway, you can't really afford to miss. Perhaps you can take more chances with lower picks. I don't k ow if that's a balance, but it's something.

The top talent is for sure where there is the biggest gap of talent but after that drop off from the top 5 to 10 guys, depending on draft, it's bigger pools of groups of guys who are pretty close. If they can find a guy that fits a need and is in the best of what is left, boom...they get balance. 

The biggest problem with pure BPA is that is is completely dependent on evaluations. Evaluations fail all the time and some work really well at other times. So it's easy to say BPA but that doesn't translate directly to the best players actually being in that discussion at the time of drafting picks if the evaluation sucks and/or the people translating the evaluation do a poop job. Hell, who picks what the need is also is a crapshoot. I still have no idea if the organization values a need at edge or DE in this draft. I sure as hell want a FS that can cover but is that a need the people in charge value? Sadly with Sercey still here I fear not. Most of the predraft stuff has been a gross oversimplification to this point. Plenty of want, less actual possibles and little factual because in the end, what the hell is Rivera and Hurney really thinking? 

[carpanfan96]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Absolutely.

Mind you, in these comments, I think he went a little extreme trying to get his point across. I seriously doubt he'd ever go four deep at one position.

Don't think that's what he meant on the second part. He was saying if you have four players rated closely together and one is a need, taking the need player is a home run pick. 

[Lumps]

6 hours ago, JARROD said:

Yep, that’s what I keep saying— square schemes that try to grab only players that fit there or try to make players fit there are busts waiting to happen.

example— Clowney and Houston. Perfect example of inflexible and stupid.

draft the best players then adjust the scheme to help those players do what they do better and you will be a genius— Belicheck ha.

Here in the Carolinas we don’t adjust schemes we try to adjust players

[The Huddler]

8 hours ago, trueblade said:

Arians is also in the division now, so knowing what our division opponents are thinking is useful.

 no its not

 

wtf do you expect people in the internet to do about anything? 

[Basbear]

100% of teams draft for need, especially in the late rounds. 

[JARROD]

4 hours ago, Lumps said:

Here in the Carolinas we don’t adjust schemes we try to adjust players

And that’s why we lose

[Davidson Deac II]

11 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

and Cam Newton, Luke Kuechly, Jonathan Stewart, etc etc

 

Most of the time it works out, but it ain't perfect.

QB was a position of desperate need at that point.  

[Davidson Deac II]

12 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Because need vs BPA is an interesting topic, and relevant on draft day.

Plus it contributes more to the discussion than just b-tching and whining about what someone else posts.

I would say its a balance between the two.  For example, when KC is on the board, if the BPA was a qb, drafting one would be absurd and borderline stupid.  But if we have two great linebackers, it would be ok to draft a third, if he is clearly the best player left.   We have several areas of need, so we can easily afford to go bpa.