3-4 Defense

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

You guys kill me, where are the 3-4 ends, we're talking guys just shy of / over 300 lbs

NT - Poe, Love, TJ Barnes (if he even makes the roster)

34 DE - KK, Butler 

We are in the 5th right now, and a full on switch isn't gonna work with the DL we have available right now. The 3-4 that's been discussed now has the depth at edge rush to be a viable option to rotate with our 4-3 personnel we're still going to see plenty of even fronts, especially from the nickel personnel. 

And we just drafted a HB in the 5th so...

Bill Voth pretty much confirmed the multifront was a downplay of the team switching to a 3-4 on Twitter. Rivera also said early this year that Cox Jr was being moved inside, so they'll have him bulking up to play end in the 3-4. Probably gonna look at another fa for the fourth spot at 3-4 end. 

[SetfreexX]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

Bill Voth pretty much confirmed the multifront was a downplay of the team switching to a 3-4 on Twitter. 

We still need 3-4 ends to run a 3-4 full time, I think if anything the ''wrinkles'' might have been updated to from 20-25% looks to 40 - 50% looks, but overall our personnel still favors a 4-3 base front, I'm all about the inclusion of the 3-4 but we are still shorthanded in regards to a full-time change based on the roster. 

I like the idea of being able to run both I'm on board. 

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

We still need 3-4 ends to run a 3-4 full time, I think if anything the ''wrinkles'' might have been updated to from 20-25% looks to 40 - 50% looks, but overall our personnel still favors a 4-3 base front, I'm all about the inclusion of the 3-4 but we are still shorthanded in regards to a full-time change based on the roster. 

I like the idea of being able to run both I'm on board. 

KK, love, Cox Jr at end. Probably looking at fa after cuts. 

Poe, Butler at NT 

Kuechly and Thompson at ilb

Addison, Burns, Miller, Irvin, obada, Haynes at 3-4 olb

 

It's all there. 

[AU-panther]

10 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Bill Voth pretty much confirmed the multifront was a downplay of the team switching to a 3-4 on Twitter. Rivera also said early this year that Cox Jr was being moved inside, so they'll have him bulking up to play end in the 3-4. Probably gonna look at another fa for the fourth spot at 3-4 end. 

I keep going back to some of the tape I watched at the end of last season.  We started using 3-4 looks and Cox would be an end.  Some of it is going to be down and distance.  For example on running downs you might have Poe at NT and Butler at DE but passing downs it was Butler at NT and Cox at DE.  Also they had Love playing some end.

7 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

We still need 3-4 ends to run a 3-4 full time, I think if anything the ''wrinkles'' might have been updated to from 20-25% looks to 40 - 50% looks, but overall our personnel still favors a 4-3 base front, I'm all about the inclusion of the 3-4 but we are still shorthanded in regards to a full-time change based on the roster. 

I like the idea of being able to run both I'm on board. 

You could make the same argument about strongside 4-3 end.  Who is playing that spot?

As of now I'm thinking Short, Love, Cox, and Butler is your rotation at DE.  Poe and Butler is your rotation at NT.  I still think we could add a cheaper FA later.

 

[t96]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Curious to see what we plan to do at the DE spots. 

KK at one fore sure. I think he’ll excel there. Maybe Butler at the other?? That’s hole. Poe and Love fit well at NT.

[Woodie]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I had thought Vernon Butler was gone but now I actually kinda wonder...

Maybe he takes one of those spots.

I wonder if they have him slimming down to add quickness outside.  He has the talent, maybe he just needs the right position to bring it out in him.

[Woodie]

Remember, Allen Bailey is still out there.  I wouldn't be shocked if we make a push to sign him now that we didn't draft a legit 3-4 end.

[Moo Daeng]

We picked up a 3-4 end or 2 already. They are unknowns from previous year drafts. Not any different than a 6th or 7th unknown from this years draft.

[frash.exe]

long overdue tbh

i’m surprised they held out as long as they did to switch like so many teams have done in the last 17 years, especially since there just doesn’t seem to be enough college players in the mold of a 4-3 lineman or linebacker coming out of college. then again, it was probably another dumb richardson thing that he wouldn’t budge on.

[RoaringRiot]

Old news

[Lumps]

NT has to command a double team and Butler isn’t going to do that. Poe unlikely. KK could if he wakes up. Know who would’ve played NT quite well? Star.

[chbright]

3 hours ago, t96 said:

KK at one fore sure. I think he’ll excel there. Maybe Butler at the other?? That’s hole. Poe and Love fit well at NT.

This. We stocked up starting last year on edge guys with Haynes (hope he's gotta little bit of bulk over the off-season and met the 250 goal). Loaded up with Miller and Burns this year draft, and Irvin in FA. Obada and Addison are likely competing for 1 spot.

Poe and maybe Butler/Love or Barnes play the 0. Barnes has before. Short is likely ok as a 5 tech. I'm worried about the other 5 too. Maybe Cox, maybe Obada, or Love/Butler. None of them at the 5 really inspire confidence.

I'm not sure we see the fruits of the switch in a landslide in 2019. Worried about the 5 tech and long term 0. But assembled a load of rushers behind them to generate the pressure. Just nervous they won't keep the Luke clean in the middle anymore and open the middle up more than we are use to.

[Archimedes]

The sad thing about the 3-4 is it devalues the ability of an elite MLB (Kuechly) and highlights our weaknesses.  Does everyone just assume we are going to get pressure off the end with a rookie and Irvin?  Will it improve our run D?

It's like, the defense is awful, so Rivera says he should take over the play calling duties, its obviously the D coordinator, not Rivera.

Defense still sucks, its obviously the scheme, and not Rivera, we just need to switch to a 3-4, that will fix everything!

This will not end well.

 

 

[Panthers8969]

So for starters- looks like I was wrong about the 3-4 usage. Sounded like panthers downed played it on purpose as to not show their hand pre draft, but I for sure misread that.

with that out of the way, can someone with 3-4 knowledge breakdown how how the OLBs play? I don’t really watch how other teams defenses play in games as I just watch the Ball. How often do most OLBs actually drop back into coverage vs just acting like a 4-3 DE would? I find it hard to believe that the 3-4 OLBs cover as well as 4-3 traditional OLBs. Would this lead to more zone? I would assume as much anyways with some fun zone blitz packages. Wondering how this effects S play too. Eric Reid should fit will as in in the box S/ coming up for more underneath coverages. FS gonna suck regardless so wonder how we play that