If you were forced to choose between a fun, family-centric culture or a culture that shows a win at all costs mentality...

[hepcat]

You're asking would I rather have more of the same from the past decade, or to win a Superbowl? Easy choice, I'd rather die.

[uncfan888]

Win

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[PghPanther]

NFL is a professional for profit business............you leverage as much as possible to win as often as possible within the rules since winning increases revenue all around for a given franchise.

Anything else is fringe benefits and/or charity and is not required but only exercised after the primary goals are met first.

 

[Moo Daeng]

Nevermind

[SBiii]

Just win, baby...

[dxpanther]

5 hours ago, rayzor said:

Which would you choose?

I mean, if the "win at all costs" mentality actually won, would you prefer it to a culture like we've become accustomed to where the team had a great mentor and everyone seemed happy, even if it meant not winning it all?

Whats more important to you? 

Would you sacrifice the warm fuzzy family setting for a less embraceable, but more winning culture?

"win at all costs" unless that cost includes the joe mixon, ray rice, or rae carruth types.

.... so im more in the "win at most costs" mentallity.  i realize having a moral line is completely lost in today's society but i would like to somewhat keep mine.

[Billy Love]

winning at all cost is the Patriot way, no thank you. I would prefer competence in our front office and coaching staff, hard work and dedication from talented and skilled players and take my chances on the grid iron.

[Wes21]

Winning gives people the warm fuzzies, so I guess the premise of the question is a little unfair.

That being said, I believe in today's NFL if you want to win, you probably need to create a warm and fuzzy family like culture.  This is the model the Eagles use, and even with 8 billion injuries they find ways to win and keep making postseason appearances.  Howie Roseman said that was what he was going to put in place once he was put back in charge of the Eagles, and I think that is the preferred model with today's kids unless you can flash as many rings in someone's face as the Pats.

[Khyber53]

We saw a family friendly atmosphere team put up a 15-1 regular season here.

The coach before managed a Superb Owl trip and two NFC Championship playoff games.

Both coaches also posted some stinkeroo years.

Al Davis' "Win, baby, win", damn the torpedoes attitude also produced a couple of championship quality teams, but also produced long periods of drought and disappointment.

It's a tough game, and more so since parity was introduced to the league with realignments, salary caps, free agency and drug testing (in the 1970s the best drug program often won... go read some of what the Steelers' players had to ingest daily for a real horror show read).

The best teams, in my opinion, have both a family atmosphere and a win, win, win attitude.

The fallacy is that you can knit a team together without some sense of brotherhood, or that you can have a team that doesn't have winning as their primary goal (at least at the beginning of the year). Thinking otherwise is kind of infantile.

[onmyown]

6 hours ago, rayzor said:

Which would you choose?

I mean, if the "win at all costs" mentality actually won, would you prefer it to a culture like we've become accustomed to where the team had a great mentor and everyone seemed happy, even if it meant not winning it all?

Whats more important to you? 

Would you sacrifice the warm fuzzy family setting for a less embraceable, but more winning culture?

I don’t understand the title, I am not sure how a culture can be ‘fun’ and not winning.

So I guess that answers it for me.

[Mr. Scot]

Rivera actually had an extended answer in his presser where he talked about how a team should be like a family.

[punkpanther]

I think the family setting is problematic if you actually want to win. It makes tough decisions even tougher. It causes hurt feelings and grudges ( see Dwill) and it just doesn’t make sense If you are trying to have the best people for the job. who wants to work with their family anyway?Just win and leave the family stuff out of it.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, rayzor said:

Which would you choose?

I mean, if the "win at all costs" mentality actually won, would you prefer it to a culture like we've become accustomed to where the team had a great mentor and everyone seemed happy, even if it meant not winning it all?

Whats more important to you? 

Would you sacrifice the warm fuzzy family setting for a less embraceable, but more winning culture?

You are basically asking if we want the Pats or the Rivera Panthers correct?

[Shufdog]

3 hours ago, pantherj said:

Without question the Panthers fanbase wants a fuzzy warm feelings family friendly team. Clean cut lunch pale players who are a good example of citizens and fathers. Winning is just not that big of a deal to most Panthers fans. The Panthers players keeping their noses clean and not being involved in controversy or crime is the key factor for many Panthers fans. The reason is because many Panthers fans are fathers with young children and games and events give them family friendly activities. Doesn't matter if the Panthers lose so long as they're not terrible. Middle of the road is fine. Nice weather, decent sized crowd, general feeling of excitement, socializing opportunities, and who cares who won? That's a typical Panthers fan. The typical year long Huddle member is way more involved and would probably prefer winning no matter what.

I only want the Panthers to win for my entertainment on Sundays. I don't care if the Panthers are a warm and fuzzy team at all. Win. If cutting Cam and Luke would give us a SB win in the next 3 seasons I would want them cut immediately. If we had to bring in sketchy players to make a SB run then by all means do it.

If you mean having a 'cut the fat team', or a 'thank you contracts' type team, then I'd prefer a cut the fat team.

 

I think keeping your nose clean and not being involved in controversy and crime should be a key factor in a normal functioning human being.