Corona Virus

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

They all think we are over-counting?

No. They think we're under-counting. Likely by a lot.

[Tbe]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

No. They think we're under-counting. Likely by a lot.

Exactly, that’s my point. Even if someone believes that hospitals are over counting deaths, that number wouldn’t be enough to overcome the huge numbers of people who died at home.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Tbe said:

Exactly, that’s my point. Even if someone believes that hospitals are over counting deaths, that number wouldn’t be enough to overcome the huge numbers of people who died at home.

sorry, misinterpreted what you were saying

[Wolfcop]

On the flip side of that, there are a ton of asymptomatic/undiagnosed mild cases cases so the death rate might still be about the same, which is higher than the flu, but not high enough to cripple the economy for years. Those who are high risk should stay at home. Otherwise, folks have to get things going again. 

[Paa Langfart]

8 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

On the flip side of that, there are a ton of asymptomatic/undiagnosed mild cases cases so the death rate might still be about the same, which is higher than the flu, but not high enough to cripple the economy for years. Those who are high risk should stay at home. Otherwise, folks have to get things going again. 

That horse has left the barn.  The economy's is going to be crippled for years. About 40%of our population has at least one condition that puts them at high risk.  About half of them will totally change their lives until there is a vaccine or proven treatment.  Any one who thinks the economy is going back to the good old days are living in la la land.

[Paa Langfart]

10 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/denver.cbslocal.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-montezuma-county-coroner-alcohol-poisoning-covid-death/amp/

Within a week, local Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers determined Yellow had died of acute alcohol poisoning, his blood alcohol measured at .55, nearly twice the lethal limit.

“It was almost double what the minimum lethal amount was in the state”, said Deavers, during an interview with CBS4.

But Deavers said that before he even signed the death certificate, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment had already categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19 and it was tabulated that way on the state’s website.

“I can see no reason for this”, said Deavers.

Yellow’s death is the latest in Colorado raising eyebrows over the way the CDPHE is reclassifying deaths that runs contrary to what doctors and coroners initially ruled.

Last month, a CBS4 Investigation revealed the state health department reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as COVID-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus.

  Yep. Its just a little flu folks!

[LinvilleGorge]

Colorado has actually been one of the more transparent states in terms of numbers. We're actually dividing our numbers between deaths "caused by COVID" and deaths "with COVID" that weren't necessarily a direct result of COVID.

[kass]

8 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/denver.cbslocal.com/2020/05/14/coronavirus-montezuma-county-coroner-alcohol-poisoning-covid-death/amp/

Within a week, local Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers determined Yellow had died of acute alcohol poisoning, his blood alcohol measured at .55, nearly twice the lethal limit.

“It was almost double what the minimum lethal amount was in the state”, said Deavers, during an interview with CBS4.

But Deavers said that before he even signed the death certificate, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment had already categorized Yellow’s death as being due to COVID-19 and it was tabulated that way on the state’s website.

“I can see no reason for this”, said Deavers.

Yellow’s death is the latest in Colorado raising eyebrows over the way the CDPHE is reclassifying deaths that runs contrary to what doctors and coroners initially ruled.

Last month, a CBS4 Investigation revealed the state health department reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as COVID-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus.

And this case would be representative of and show what? So how many of these 100.000 deaths are over reporting? 

The over or under reporting is very easily proven by comparing the death toll 2020 with a combination of let's say, the last five years and see if there is any spikes in dead people. 

Wait, didn't NY Times already do this kind of experiment... 

Conclusion,  under reporting... 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

 

[45catfan]

41 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Exactly, that’s my point. Even if someone believes that hospitals are over counting deaths, that number wouldn’t be enough to overcome the huge numbers of people who died at home.

People dying at home were largely assumed to have COVID-19 if autopsy's were foregone.  It was easier at the height of the pandemic in places like NYC just to code deaths COVID-19 and move on.  Sure a sizable portion of them were deaths due to the virus, but not in every case.

[cookinbrak]

43 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

On the flip side of that, there are a ton of asymptomatic/undiagnosed mild cases cases so the death rate might still be about the same, which is higher than the flu, but not high enough to cripple the economy for years. Those who are high risk should stay at home. Otherwise, folks have to get things going again. 

Where do you shop for groceries? A specific store, not just a chain.

[kass]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Colorado has actually been one of the more transparent states in terms of numbers. We're actually dividing our numbers between deaths "caused by COVID" and deaths "with COVID" that weren't necessarily a direct result of COVID.

Any comparison against normal death toll? To see if there is excessive number of deaths compared to other years?

And does any state provide statistics regarding the day of death.

When I have tried to find information, all I find is hmm..  "today's report is x new deaths" but it doesn't say when the people actually died.

 

Sorry for directing this to you, but if Colorado have good numbers maybe I will take a look at whatever website they use to publish this. 

[kass]

16 minutes ago, kass said:

And does any state provide statistics regarding the day of death.

When I have tried to find information, all I find is hmm..  "today's report is x new deaths" but it doesn't say when the people actually died.

Found it. And yes, good statistics. Even death date. And no covid deaths where some of my relatives live.

[Wes21]

1 hour ago, kass said:

And this case would be representative of and show what? So how many of these 100.000 deaths are over reporting? 

The over or under reporting is very easily proven by comparing the death toll 2020 with a combination of let's say, the last five years and see if there is any spikes in dead people. 

Wait, didn't NY Times already do this kind of experiment... 

Conclusion,  under reporting... 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

 

It's a good idea, but it's not apples to apples.  Go back and look at how New York was turning away people who went tot he hospital, and how the shutdown of other types of access to medicine has led to deaths not directly COVID.

[Tbe]

This is excellent.

The bottom line is NYC’s historical average weekly death rate. 
 

Red is this year.