All defensive draft "just fell that way"

[Pazhoosier89]

23 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Watched his interview on the Panthers website and that is his story.  What I took notice to was that he wants to trade in every draft.  He even admits that he has to.  Think about that for a minute.

I found that odd as well. He mentioned it is one of his goals to make at least one trade every draft. The problem is he is terrible at getting the correct value on draft trades. I loved the Chinn pick but he traded away the 2nd pick in the 5th round to move 5 spots.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Pazhoosier89 said:

I found that odd as well. He mentioned it is one of his goals to make at least one trade every draft. The problem is he is terrible at getting the correct value on draft trades. I loved the Chinn pick but he traded away the 2nd pick in the 5th round to move 5 spots.

The man has to go.  Nothing good ever comes from keeping him around.

[top dawg]

Everyone should obviously know that you don't go into a draft saying that you're 100% going to do this or that because you never know how things will fall! But, you obviously concentrate your efforts on guys at positions of need, which led me to think that there was a good probability that we would indeed draft all defense after seeing what we did in FA, and that's exactly what happened!

I don't think it's really credible to fault Hurney for moving up to get Chinn. You don't leave your guy up to chance when you essentially don't have to sacrifice much to get him! But that's just me!

I looked at the Hurney vid  yesterday. I don't know if it's the same one bring referenced, but I don't remember him suggesting that trading is mentally mandatory! I do remember him talking about learning from past mistakes of reaching. He also said BPA was the way to go! And, he didn't think Chinn would be there!

[WOW!!]

6 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Everyone should obviously know that you don't go into a draft saying that you're 100% going to do this or that because you never know how things will fall! But, you obviously concentrate your efforts on guys at positions of need, which led me to think that there was a good probability that we would indeed draft all defense after seeing what we did in FA, and that's exactly what happened!

I don't think it's really credible to fault Hurney for moving up to get Chinn. You don't leave your guy up to chance when you essentially don't have to sacrifice much to get him! But that's just me!

I looked at the Hurney vid  yesterday. I don't know if it's the same one bring referenced, but I don't remember him suggesting that trading is mentally mandatory! I do remember him talking about learning from past mistakes of reaching. He also said BPA was the way to go! And, he didn't think Chinn would be there!

He did.. But John Synder, Belichick, Loomis, Peioli, Lynch and Beane all feel the same way about wanting and needing to make moves in the draft...

Alot of good GM have repeated the same sentiment.. Hurney is just dislike so much here.. No matter what he says ppl will over analyze and add cynicism to it..

[WOW!!]

47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Who said this was a shot at Hurney?

The Gif at the bottom of your post did...

Also you neglected to mention this was the HEad Coaches sentiment as well.. And since his interview was before Marty's (due to negotiation with UDFA) it would be Rhule who made this statement 1st.. 

So why no BS gif for Rhule??

[top dawg]

25 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

He did.. But John Synder, Belichick, Loomis, Peioli, Lynch and Beane all feel the same way about wanting and needing to make moves in the draft...

Alot of good GM have repeated the same sentiment.. Hurney is just dislike so much here.. No matter what he says ppl will over analyze and add cynicism to it..

Oh, OK, I saw a different vid then! 

Hurney never deserves praise any time anything good happens, and always gets blamed when anything bad happens! To me that's not very objective or analytical, but it is what it is!

[Daddy_Uncle]

1 hour ago, MMA said:

When will Rhule, Hurney and the top rooms have their virtual press conference? 

Go to Panthers.com. they are all on there

[Basbear]

I sorta believe him. Rhule said two different times they where set to draft a offensive player(OG), but they got picked just before. Looking at this team, you know they focused on defensive when making their board.  

[KillaCamNewton]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

He did.. But John Synder, Belichick, Loomis, Peioli, Lynch and Beane all feel the same way about wanting and needing to make moves in the draft...

Alot of good GM have repeated the same sentiment.. Hurney is just dislike so much here.. No matter what he says ppl will over analyze and add cynicism to it..

Ive never bought into the idea that you always draft BPA and not for need because that ends in you reaching. The point of the draft is to fill needs. 
 

The draft is filled with hundreds of talented players, there should never be an instance where there isnt a talented player that fills a need when you pick

Gettleman was all about drafting BPA and it likely costed us a SuperBowl. We had glaring needs at tackle in 2015 and he took Shaq while we already had 2 All Pro linebackers. If we take a tackle there that is better than Remmers then Super Bowl 50 goes a lot differently.

in 2016 we had huge holes at safety and corner and he took Butler when we already had Star and KK. 

He always took the BPA instead of drafting for need because he felt every player can be replaced down the road and you can plug any player in. In those 2 examples he had a great opportunity to fill a hole in the roster and instead he made 2 picks that did virtually nothing to improve the team the next year

[Drk89Wng]

Honestly makes sense it would fall this way. We were god awful last year defensively. The more I thought about it and read the remarks after each pick I realized that Brady's offense doesn't have to be star studded to be successful. They just need people that are athletic, create space and can create uncertainty. I do wish we would've gotten 1 more WR but I guarantee that someone of value to us will be cut over the summer and we should be able to get them to shore up more fire power for our OC. 

[Swaggasaurus]

In reality, the draft was much deeper for defense than offense once you got past the top level skill guys and lineman. Matt Hennessy at Center, Kevin Dotson in round 4 at guard was the last guy that I would’ve picked. WR was a juggernaut until round 4. Duvernay and Edwards probably the last guys there with any good percentage of becoming a significant player and they were in round 3. TE all JAG. QB was ugly this year too. 

[KillaCamNewton]

Going back to my previous point, im not sure how you can even intelligently put a “big board” together when its almost impossible to subjectively rate one prospect as better than another when they play completely different positions. How can you argue than Joe Burrow is a better football player than Isaiah Simmons? You can argue either

[Soul Rebel]

3 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Really Scot?? You couldn't help yourself from taking a shot..

Rhule said the same thing Scot..

I'm sorry/not sorry, but it will be a minute before I take anything that these two (and Tepper) say as 100% truth. I get why they say what they said, but their words and the actions have been coachspeak for the most part all offseason. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

I found that odd as well. He mentioned it is one of his goals to make at least one trade every draft. The problem is he is terrible at getting the correct value on draft trades. I loved the Chinn pick but he traded away the 2nd pick in the 5th round to move 5 spots.

Per the draft pick value chart, the value of the trade was pretty much spot on.