Panthers wouldn't have traded down even for a future 1st?

[NAS]

Interesting tidbit from Peter King who was practically embedded with the Bucs in their draft room.  Bucs were apparently frustrated of not being able to move up in the top 10.  Here's the quote that draws interest:

"With Peter King of NBC’s Football Morning in America virtually embedded in the Bucs’ draft room (via a tablet in Licht’s house), he got a peek at the dealings.

After a round of 30 pre-draft calls, he had a sense of how things were going to go, and the way the first six picks in the draft fell, it became clear it was going to be tough.

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The Panthers were set on taking defensive tackle Derrick Brown, with Bucs director of pro scouting Rob McCartney telling Licht “I don’t think they’d deal even if we offer next year’s one.” Likewise, the Cardinals wouldn’t take Licht’s call, content to choose linebacker-safety Isaiah Simmons. They then offered a third- and a fourth-rounder to Jacksonville to move up to nine, but the Jaguars preferred to sit tight and take cornerback C.J. Henderson. With the Browns and Jets clearly looking for tackles themselves, calls were made, but the reality was they weren’t likely partners.

Why was it so obvious to everyone that Panthers were in love with Derrick Brown and wouldn't even entertain a trade offer?  For the record, I'm glad we drafted Brown but it bothers me that everyone knew who we were taking. 

[Jeremy Igo]

There was never any chance the Panthers would move down from 7. The media just needed some talking points for a few days. Group think had set in.

[jfra78]

I think it had to do with players available and not the team. Players like Brown and Simmons dont come around often.

[chknwing]

Because next year is ? for college players.  You have tape, physicals, combine etc in players in this draft.  Thats why u didnt see alot of trades for future picks.  Future is unknown at ths point.

[KSpan]

Is that part you bolded actually in the article? I don't see it so if not, quite misleading, as it says nothing about it being clear the Panthers being set on taking Brown and Tampa is actually assuming Carolina wouldn't trade. Here what I see as the actual quote and only reference to Carolina:

"Licht made about 30 calls during the week, up and down, to see which teams might want to go up or down in the top half of the draft. Tonight, Carolina (picking seven) is a no. “I don’t think they’d deal even if we offer next year’s one,” McCartney, who’d been the Panthers contact, tells Licht."

All that means is that Tampa felt confident someone Carolina valued highly was still available, and they didn't even try to ask. Tampa could have thought Carolina wanted Simmons.

 

[NAS]

7 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Is that part you bolded actually in the article? I don't see it so if not, quite misleading, as it says nothing about it being clear the Panthers being set on taking Brown and Tampa is actually assuming Carolina wouldn't trade. Here what I see as the actual quote and only reference to Carolina:

"Licht made about 30 calls during the week, up and down, to see which teams might want to go up or down in the top half of the draft. Tonight, Carolina (picking seven) is a no. “I don’t think they’d deal even if we offer next year’s one,” McCartney, who’d been the Panthers contact, tells Licht."

All that means is that Tampa felt confident someone Carolina valued highly was still available, and they didn't even try to ask. Tampa could have thought Carolina wanted Simmons.

 

You're right, sorry, there was another article on PFF that said what I highlighted.  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

[electro's horse]

yeah its almost like next years picks weren't valuable in this draft for some reason

[KSpan]

8 minutes ago, NAS said:

You're right, sorry, there was another article on PFF that said what I highlighted.  https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/bucs-were-frustrated-with-inability-to-trade-earlier/

Gotcha, though even in that article there is still nothing proving Carolina was locked in. I'm not saying it wasn't known but more that there's nothing here confirming that for sure.

[Khyber53]

And would we really ever consider trading down to a division rival knowing that we'd have whoever they picked inflicted upon us at least twice a year?

No chance in hell that Tampa was trading with us, or NO, or ATL. Really, dumbest idea of the draft.

[NAS]

6 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Gotcha, though even in that article there is still nothing proving Carolina was locked in. I'm not saying it wasn't known but more that there's nothing here confirming that for sure.

Fair point, I guess it's more implied than factual that we were set on taking Brown.  

[The Huddler]

stop getting bothered by things you cant control ya dingus

 

we needed our stud DT NOW anyway

[panther4life]

It being know that we would take Brown because of the obvious intersection of Talent meeting need. Pretty easy to connect the dots, especially that early in the draft.

[Mr. Scot]

Whatever a team did in the Draft is always exactly what they intended to do and their plans always fell into place perfectly.

[Sgt Schultz]

This was a good draft pool in enough positions that I'm not surprised that trading up was difficult.  I thought there were probably 12-15 players who were "must picks" if they were available when a given team's time came, unless they happened to be in a position that the team was stocked and young at. 

Combine that with the fact that with the possible exception of the Chargers, the first 11 teams were in need of help almost everywhere, trading up was going to have to be a very good deal for them (us, since we were on that list). 

Looking at next year's draft pool a year in advance is always questionable.  Every diamond a team identifies is an injury or down season away from being a risk.  I think that is even more true with the QB position than others.  Trying to trade up this year by offering something in next year's draft was asking a team to trade away a known commodity in a stocked draft pool most likely in a position of need for speculation.