Pick your GOAT: Luke, 89 or...

[beastson]

I'm hoping that meant retired Panthers players

[raleigh-panther]

On 6/17/2020 at 6:49 PM, Jesse said:

On a level of playing at the highest level consistently it’s Luke hands down. Yeah Cam won the MVP, but we don’t go to the Super Bowl if Luke’s not on the team. Honestly it’s a toss up. They’re all Panther greats regardless. I miss the behind the scenes leadership Pep brought and the on field attitude Smitty had. 
 

We’ll never see anyone in a Panthers uni come close to those guys anytime soon. 

Luke was a great player 

CMC is a great player 

PROBABLE HOF

Pep, great player 
SmIttY  great player and f**ed up teammate  

however 

the person who won the games, the person who made the Panthers national, was Newton. 
 

disgraceful he was not on this list  disgraceful 

[Car123]

Agent Hammer Fist is the GOAT. Very few WRs get quadruple teamed.

[RASTAN66]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:46 PM, Cookie Lyon said:

How do you leave off the best QB in franchise history and the only Panthers player to win MVP in the GOAT debate? 

How you do it is, intentionally.

Cam clearly pissed Tepper off in a major way, must have really gone off the base there at the end.  Tepper cancelled him.

[RASTAN66]

T1.  Smitty & Kuechly.

Personally JP was gone too long to get any consideration.

 

[pantherclaw]

Whether Cam was part of the list or not, he is not the GOAT Panther. 

[MasterAwesome]

13 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

more like its a really bad look for fans to vote Cam as the best player in franchise history when they unceremoniously dumped him on his ass and paid a shittier version of him more money

I can really only think of one thing Teddy and Cam have in common as QBs...be careful outing yourself there buddy.

[MasterAwesome]

16 hours ago, Bronn said:

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had 1.33 more tackles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .045 more interceptions per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .027 more forced fumbles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .062 more sacks per game than Jon Beason.

So, tell me again how Luke Kuechly is so much more better than Jon Beason.

 

Fun fact: Luke Kuechly averaged 2.5x as many sacks per game as Beason!!! (Which is actually true)

Am I doing this right? Statistics are fun without context.

[weyco2000]

19 hours ago, Bronn said:

I have to seriously question the motives of anyone picking Luke over Smitty first and foremost, and even Pep to an extent.

I'm not surprised, given our fan base still has a lot of holdover fans of a certain type.

Luke was great, yes. The Panthers GOAT? Laughable.

Dan Morgan and Jon Beason were great, too. Beason maybe even approached Luke level great.

None of them were on Smitty or Pep's level.

Teams FEARED Smitty and Pep.

Smitty is the greatest WR in the history of the NFL. Pep is likely the greatest DE in the history of the NFL. Luke is maybe a top 5 MLB of all time.

But while people praise Luke for his arguably brief career and numerous accolades (all of which he earned and deserves) they sure are quick to write off Smitty and Pep for things like locker room drama or "having heart" or whatever nonsense they can come up with.

I've even seen Pep's masculinity and sexuality questioned on these forums over the years. Same with Cam.

I wonder why that only occurs with certain players?
 

The greatest WR in the history of the NFL? 

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, weyco2000 said:

The greatest WR in the history of the NFL? 

That whole paragraph is delusional and wrong.  Smitty Pep and Luke were all great players.  Cam is my favorite Panther of all time, but Smith is the goat.  

[Jeremy Igo]

Cam overall was probably the most impactful player the panthers have ever had, some of that is because of just how important the QB position is.

 

If you look at it in terms of just how many seasons was each player the very best in the league, Peppers and Kuechly probably win. Both were the #1 player at their respective position for several years. Cam was the best QB in the NFL for one season. Sure, top 5 some other seasons, but only the best for one.

[raz]

kris jenkins post apnea surgery is the best player we've ever had.   i don't think its real close either, but that's just me.

[CRA]

7 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

I can really only think of one thing Teddy and Cam have in common as QBs...be careful outing yourself there buddy.

Yeah, Teddy and Cam don’t compare.  Like at all.     Polar opposites in terms of play style.  Cam has no legit comparable in NFL history.  Would have to take like 3 players and cherry pick parts of their game.   

Vick meets Jerome Bettie meets Brett Favre (that was probably poorly done but just throwing an example out)

[mc52beast]

Luke won awards for being best on the field, he went about his job pretty quietly. Smitty loved the camera, played with a chip on his shoulder because everyone told him he would never make it.

Gotta go with 59 here