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[amcoolio]

I would love 2-14, however we actually have a NFL QB with weapons and that rarely happens in this setup. The last times we bottomed out we played the likes of Jimmy Clausen and Chris Weinke

[Khyber53]

56 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

QB. You try to propel your franchise to being better and this is a QB driven league.

Or LB. Those are probably your most important players on the field. Between the two, LB (particularly MLB) is a slightly safer bet because they don't get the ball into their hands on every play. Now, you take a fantastic college QB and move him into the NFL and you can get your franchise QB sometimes, sometimes you get a Heisman trophy holder like Matt Leinert who had all the looks but just could not process and execute the game at the pro speed levels. 

Now, have the QB candidate sit for an entire season with no meaningful football, practices or coaching -- then try and put him into the starting rotation. Not saying that Clemson's QB could elevate to and become Carolina's QB, but he's spending a year being only Madden's QB if you know what I mean.

The dice roll is a little tougher for the 2021 draft, no fault of the players-to-be at all.

[DeeJay]

16-0 fug SI

[Basbear]

41 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

I swear if we're in a position to get a top 3 pick then get a meaningless "feel good win" Week 17 against the resting Saints to drop to pick 5-6 or something I will lose it.  And now, I know this is exactly what's going to fuging happen. 

As for the OP, give me option 2 all day long this year.  Yes, everyone wants to win. Yes, we can all be homers.  Yes, in a perfect world Teddy Bridgewater magically becomes the answer. But this isn't the season to watch games with your heart and homer glasses on.  The brain says we need a franchise QB and need to bottom out this year to secure that. Trading up in this draft is going to cost a ton, and the idea of sitting pat with a top pick, grabbing a QB, and grabbing OL in the 2nd/3rd/4th rounds sounds magical to me.  Tepper & Rhule said this would get ugly before it gets better, it's a multi-year plan, etc.  Signing Teddy Bridgewater to essentially a 2 year deal didn't change that, and if it did, add new owner and coach to the list of needs. 

You understand the pain of winning a meaningless game! I went a few rounds with p55 over that, it never registered with him. Its not only moving form a top 3 to 7th or 10th, thats happens each fuging round. All for a rah rah game against backups, USELESS!!! It taking long term thinking and logical to understand. 

Short example- Remember the 2018 season had a useless late game against the Saints backups. That lead to the 2019 draft, in the second round Greg Little was traded up for. If the panthers dont win that game, no need for Smarty Marty to overpay( 47+77 for 37) for a struggling OT. Dumb as poo. 

[kungfoodude]

24 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Or LB. Those are probably your most important players on the field. Between the two, LB (particularly MLB) is a slightly safer bet because they don't get the ball into their hands on every play. Now, you take a fantastic college QB and move him into the NFL and you can get your franchise QB sometimes, sometimes you get a Heisman trophy holder like Matt Leinert who had all the looks but just could not process and execute the game at the pro speed levels. 

Now, have the QB candidate sit for an entire season with no meaningful football, practices or coaching -- then try and put him into the starting rotation. Not saying that Clemson's QB could elevate to and become Carolina's QB, but he's spending a year being only Madden's QB if you know what I mean.

The dice roll is a little tougher for the 2021 draft, no fault of the players-to-be at all.

LB's are definitely pretty low on the list of impact players for a building franchise. We got spoiled by getting a guy like Luke but the impact he has(reference last year) without an effective DL is limited. Even with a dumpster fire of an OL, an elite QB can bail you out and keep you in games. 

There is a reason QB's get overdrafted consistently. It's the most important position in football. If we passed on an elite QB prospect to take a LB, that would be pretty much the final nail in the Tepper/Hurney coffin, IMO. There would literally be no reason to watch until that duo broke up.

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You understand the pain of winning a meaningless game! I went a few rounds with p55 over that, it never registered with him. Its not only moving form a top 3 to 7th or 10th, thats happens each fuging round. All for a rah rah game against backups, USELESS!!! It taking long term thinking and logical to understand. 

Short example- Remember the 2018 season had a useless late game against the Saints backups. That lead to the 2019 draft, in the second round Greg Little was traded up for. If the panthers dont win that game, no need for Smarty Marty to overpay( 47+77 for 37) for a struggling OT. Dumb as poo. 

You know what makes that poo even worse? We won that game only to see that entire team ripped apart. So all that "rah rah" was for fuging nothing. 

[CarolinaNCSU]

17 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You understand the pain of winning a meaningless game! I went a few rounds with p55 over that, it never registered with him. Its not only moving form a top 3 to 7th or 10th, thats happens each fuging round. All for a rah rah game against backups, USELESS!!! It taking long term thinking and logical to understand. 

Short example- Remember the 2018 season had a useless late game against the Saints backups. That lead to the 2019 draft, in the second round Greg Little was traded up for. If the panthers dont win that game, no need for Smarty Marty to overpay( 47+77 for 37) for a struggling OT. Dumb as poo. 

1/1/17 - Week 17 against the Bucs

Greg Olsen trips (takes a dive) on the two point conversion to win the game.  Winning that game could've dropped us out of CMC range and handed him to the Saints who drafted Kamara in the 2nd.  Week 17 games can greatly alter a franchise, and I sure as hell don't remember any altering a franchise into rah rah mode 9 months later for a thunderous Week 1 win the next season. 

[Khyber53]

57 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

LB's are definitely pretty low on the list of impact players for a building franchise. We got spoiled by getting a guy like Luke but the impact he has(reference last year) without an effective DL is limited. Even with a dumpster fire of an OL, an elite QB can bail you out and keep you in games. 

There is a reason QB's get overdrafted consistently. It's the most important position in football. If we passed on an elite QB prospect to take a LB, that would be pretty much the final nail in the Tepper/Hurney coffin, IMO. There would literally be no reason to watch until that duo broke up.

Oh, I agree as to the number one priority position on a football team is the QB. I'm just trying to explain to you that with the way 2020 is working out for college football, a QB pick might have some wrinkles to it that we wouldn't see under a normal season situation. If the guy is there when your pick comes, grab him if your scouting department and coaches still think he had what he had in 2019 and hasn't built up much rust. If there's a doubt, though, maybe one of the other keystone positions would be a safer bet.

 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Oh, I agree as to the number one priority position on a football team is the QB. I'm just trying to explain to you that with the way 2020 is working out for college football, a QB pick might have some wrinkles to it that we wouldn't see under a normal season situation. If the guy is there when your pick comes, grab him if your scouting department and coaches still think he had what he had in 2019 and hasn't built up much rust. If there's a doubt, though, maybe one of the other keystone positions would be a safer bet.

 

I don't think the draft will change a lot. The scouting might not be as good but the priorities are going to be the same. 

We aren't going to know until we have an idea of what college football is going to be.

[PantherPhann89]

I don't buy us having a 2-14 season. I believe we'll be better than that. We'll win at least 6-8 games. Talent, coaching and getting buy in from all 53... This isn't a one or two player show anymore. We're becoming 1 Panther!!!

[PleaseCutStewart]

We will have more than 2 wins. Only way we are that bad is if half of our team gets hurt or the NFL season ends after 5 games...

 

We have very winnable homes games against LV, Arizona, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, & Denver with a road game at Washington.

 

I don't see us having less than 4 wins, as much as I wish we could go 0-16 to get the #1 pick

[Tinamedina]

18 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

 

I guess yall are forgetting the story of John Fox and he did huh? The panthers have been in this situation before. This is nothing but Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers all over again. 7 wins, maybe 8.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Tinamedina said:

I guess yall are forgetting the story of John Fox and he did huh? The panthers have been in this situation before. This is nothing but Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers all over again. 7 wins, maybe 8.

Well, that sounds like a fuging nightmare.

[bigdog10]

I see three to five wins

Atlanta at Home

Vs Las Vegas 

Vs Detroit

At Washington

 

Possible win/possible loss

Vs Denver

At Chargers

Vs Chicago

Vs New Orleans (if resting)

Vs Tampa

Vs Arizona

Definite Loses:

At New Orleans

At Kansas City

At Minnesota

At Green Bay

At Tampa Bay 

At Atlanta

I think 3-13 is our floor and 6-10 is our ceiling  

Im hoping for 3-13 to put us in a position to get our QB of the future, however 6-10 will likely have meant Teddy played well enough to be the future and we can concentrate next years draft on protecting him or continuing to build the defense