Just watched all of KK's snaps to see what we will be missing

[Jeremy Igo]

Just watched all of KK's snaps against the Falcons. He almost got close to having a couple of QB pressures. But in the run game he was non existent. 

Couple of typical plays. 

 

 

It seems to me at this point Derrick Brown is by far the better player, and anything KK did can be done by any large body in the middle. I am not sure we will see much of a fall off at all. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Also, KK's shoulders took a pounding his own last series and did not play the final series of the game at all. 

[LinvilleGorge]

KK is washed. He still has some juice as a pass rusher on occasion, but he's basically doing what Gerald McCoy did last year and you going all out on rushing the passer and mailing it in against the run. I'd like to see more of Roy.

[Smithers]

Is it likely that Hamilton will come off the practice squad?  

[BrianS]

 

3 minutes ago, bull123 said:

That’s good to hear

guess we will be paying him millions to do nothing now

In all fairness, cutting him this year would have gained us next to nothing.

Designating him post-June 1 next year however and he "only" counts 6.5 million.

[jbland]

Does anyone know the cap implications by cutting him this off season?

[Bartin]

Kawann and Derrick don’t really play the same position. DB is a block eating 1T and KK is a gap shooting 3T. Zack Kerr is the guy that will really need to step up. I imagine we bring Bruce Hector up from the PS to be Kerr’s backup since Roy is also a 1T and I don’t think there is much available in FA although Kyle Love is available I think.

[stbugs]

5 minutes ago, bull123 said:

That’s good to hear

guess we will be paying him millions to do nothing now

According to the other thread it was still worth it LOL. I’m ok with not getting Lawrence. I knew we weren’t trying, it was obvious, but cutting Short was drop dead obvious and an easy way to build up rolled over cap space and lose basically nothing.

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, BrianS said:

 

In all fairness, cutting him this year would have gained us next to nothing.

Designating him post-June 1 next year however and he "only" counts 6.5 million.

100% wrong. We had $17M in dead cap that was hitting whenever we released him. We added $13M in new salary this year. If we released him we would have had an extra $13M in cap next year that we will not have now.

I posted it a dozen times in the pre season threads. That dead cap could never be reduced and $6M of it counted this year, which is why his cap this year was over $19M even though salary was only $13M.

Ignore the post 6/1 release option which just spreads some money into the next year. If we cut him before this year, 2020 cap hit was $17M (all dead cap) with $0 cap hits after 2020. If we cut him before 2021, 2020 cap hit was $19M and 2021 cap hit was $11M.

By not releasing him, he counts $30M over 2020 and 2021 instead of just $17M. Now that you can rollover cap, we have $13M less to spend on Moton, Moore, Samuel or other future FAs.

 

[Jeremy Igo]

10 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Kawann and Derrick don’t really play the same position. DB is a block eating 1T and KK is a gap shooting 3T. Zack Kerr is the guy that will really need to step up. I imagine we bring Bruce Hector up from the PS to be Kerr’s backup since Roy is also a 1T and I don’t think there is much available in FA although Kyle Love is available I think.

They both play both techniques throughout the game. They are used interchangebly. 

 

Kerr has played really well so far. Excited to see what he has to come. 

[Icege]

He was thinking about hanging it up after the last injury. This to me is unfortunately the seal on his time in Carolina. Kerr has been a pleasant surprise and we have Obada, Hamilton, and Hector to choose from should the team not bring anyone in.

Gotta feeling this sets up Moton for his contract.

[1of10Charnatives]

11 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Kawann and Derrick don’t really play the same position. DB is a block eating 1T and KK is a gap shooting 3T. Zack Kerr is the guy that will really need to step up. I imagine we bring Bruce Hector up from the PS to be Kerr’s backup since Roy is also a 1T and I don’t think there is much available in FA although Kyle Love is available I think.

Sometimes when you post, I understand all of the words, but not what it means when you put them in that order. But it’s okay cause you’re a smart guy and I just assume Linville and Verge and Scot and all those guys understand it.  I get the gist.

Probably.

 

What was the middle part?

[*FreeFua*]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

100% wrong. We had $17M in dead cap that was hitting whenever we released him. We added $13M in new salary this year. If we released him we would have had an extra $13M in cap next year that we will not have now.

I posted it a dozen times in the pre season threads. That dead cap could never be reduced and $6M of it counted this year, which is why his cap this year was over $19M even though salary was only $13M.

Ignore the post 6/1 release option which just spreads some money into the next year. If we cut him before this year, 2020 cap hit was $17M (all dead cap) with $0 cap hits after 2020. If we cut him before 2021, 2020 cap hit was $19M and 2021 cap hit was $11M.

By not releasing him, he counts $30M over 2020 and 2021 instead of just $17M. Now that you can rollover cap, we have $13M less to spend on Moton, Moore, Samuel or other future FAs.

 

Yep...

Retooling, rebuilding, tanking whichever way you wanted to approach this offseason under no circumstance was keeping KK a smart move. 

People constantly scratch their heads when it comes to the Saints and their ability to work around the cap. A big reason why they’re able to is that they don’t have a bunch of dead money sitting on their books or useless players like KK on their roster. And no, Brees isn’t there... yet!  

[Mvp2014]

Should have cut him in the offseason