Joe Brady, “I believe Teddy is a Franchise QB.”

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, TikTOK said:

Fire his ass. He should go back and be a college OC if he really believe that $hit.

Lemme think about it 

 

 

 

No.

[Ornias]

He is right though, he is the QB of our franchise currently. Whomever they draft next year will also be a franchise QB. 

[Kentucky Panther]

I can’t wait to work with Cam Newton - Matt Rhule

[BrianS]

Coaches are paid to win football games.  True story!  What that means is they need to get the best out of the players they have.  You don't do that by offering - publicly - an critical evaluation of the *only* proven QB on your roster.

We all know who TB5 is at this point.  That includes Brady who probably knew before TB was signed.  Everything about him suggests that the guy is just a short term solution so we aren't forced to play Grier / Walker / Allen / whoever. 

However!  This is our QB for now.  You're not going to get the best from him by publicly offering the press a critical indictment.  Thus, you publicly say all the right things to avoid any sort of widespread meltdown, and privately coach him up the best you can while looking for a better option.

How is this not obvious to . . . . like . . . everyone?

OMG Rhule said he thinks Tahir plays well!  Cue Huddle meltdown.  Brady thinks TB5 is a franchise guy.  *rolleyes*  What coaches say publicly and what they think privately are two very different things, and the faster our fan base comes to grips with that the better.

[LinvilleGorge]

What's he supposed to say right now? Teddy sucks and we're tanking to draft a QB?

[Snake]

Coaches normally don't throw players under the bus unless they are Ron Rivera. 

[MHS831]

I think he believes it--Teddy was his idea, so to speak.  And Brady is young and Teddy is about his age--probably friends by now (both well-liked people).  I worry about Rhule's bonds with players for the same reason--in college, you had them for 4-5 years then they were done.  Will Rhule be able to detach from players with whom he has established a bond? We really need a GM with an objective eye and strong backbone.  So let's assume the Panthers think Bridgewater is a franchise QB:

Bridgewater gets better with a stud OL and TE.   We need a top 5 defense. We can win with TB.

Let's say we draft 10th and Lance is the only top 4 qb there.  So many will be saying, "Take Lance!!!"  But behind the scenes, teams like New England, Indy, etc, will be ready to offer a ton to move up.  Do you go with a B- QB (What I give Teddy, fwiw) hoping that you draft a QB that will one day become a B+ to A- QB?  Or do you trade the pick and get a potential All-Pro LT and Center, turning a D offensive line into a B offensive line? 

 

 

[Khyber53]

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Teddy with a good offensive line in front of him. Not many QBs could be performing this well behind the set of turnstiles we're fielding.

[MHS831]

22 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Teddy with a good offensive line in front of him. Not many QBs could be performing this well behind the set of turnstiles we're fielding.

Teddy needs a defense that gets off the field on third down. He is basically playing to keep the opposing offenses off the field, which limits the play calling and requires Teddy to manage the clock more.  He needs a line that allows him to keep his feet planted longer. We are not CALLING deep routes because the OL--and everyone is yelling at Teddy for not throwing more deep passes. 

Teddy seems to be rushing through his progressions faster--I think he looks to Robby first on most plays and he possibly skips from the #1 WR to the checkdown--skipping the #2 to avoid a sack.  So he is going pre-snap read to determine #1--usually Robby---to the safe checkdown--Samuel or the back.  So who gets overlooked a lot?  Moore.  The TEs.  It is consistent with the stats.

 

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Teddy with a good offensive line in front of him. Not many QBs could be performing this well behind the set of turnstiles we're fielding.

Well, Teddy is a dink and dunk beast! 

[LinvilleGorge]

59 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think he believes it--Teddy was his idea, so to speak.  

If I was interviewing him for a HC job it'd be the first question I asked him. If he answered that he truly believes Teddy is a franchise QB to build a team around I'd thank him for his time and be like

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I think he believes it--Teddy was his idea, so to speak.  And Brady is young and Teddy is about his age--probably friends by now (both well-liked people).  I worry about Rhule's bonds with players for the same reason--in college, you had them for 4-5 years then they were done.  Will Rhule be able to detach from players with whom he has established a bond? We really need a GM with an objective eye and strong backbone.  So let's assume the Panthers think Bridgewater is a franchise QB:

Bridgewater gets better with a stud OL and TE.   We need a top 5 defense. We can win with TB.

Let's say we draft 10th and Lance is the only top 4 qb there.  So many will be saying, "Take Lance!!!"  But behind the scenes, teams like New England, Indy, etc, will be ready to offer a ton to move up.  Do you go with a B- QB (What I give Teddy, fwiw) hoping that you draft a QB that will one day become a B+ to A- QB?  Or do you trade the pick and get a potential All-Pro LT and Center, turning a D offensive line into a B offensive line? 

 

 

Parsons

[MHS831]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If I was interviewing him for a HC job it'd be the first question I asked him. If he answered that he truly believes Teddy is a franchise QB to build a team around I'd thank him for his time and be like

In new Orleans, with a good OL and defense, he was 5-0.  However, the Saints were not as explosive as they are with Brees--so that is a good measuring stick.  However, the pressure on a reserve forced to step in is different from that of a starter. 

That is a good question.  The better question:  If you thought he was a franchise QB, why did he not become one?

If I were a coach, I would avoid comparing my players to norms or other players.  I think he set himself up for this kind of criticism.

Would he be better with a good OL and TE?  Yes. How much better, and would he be consistent (durability is part of consistency)?  I have doubts that the upgrade would be lasting or substantial enough.   However, do you switch QBs before addressing the OL?  the defense? 

So that is why I said, "We need a GM who is not chummy with the players--one who will use data and absorb opinions from scouts etc.  These coaches are motivators and that requires relationship building.   That involves emotions and loyalties--things that blur objectivity.

[MHS831]

3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Parsons

Lotta teams like Parsons---gonna be about as hard to get as a QB.