So what's wrong with Bridgewater?

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

He's...exactly the same average at best QB he's always been?  People expecting him to come in and be a Pro Bowl player all of a sudden were living in La La Land, and that's not on Teddy.  He looked average to good ON THE SAINTS in spot duty. You know, that team with Sean Payton that's been the class of the NFC, well rounded, great OL, weapons, etc.?  He came in there and didn't screw up, game managed, and won some  thanks to a lot of help around him.  He doesn't have the same luxury here, and his flaws are showing. 

Again, if you expected anything more than Teddy (at least this year), really don't know why your brain won't trust your eyes or his history. He was always average in the BEST situation possible for him, and average at best with the Vikings. He comes to a rebuilding team, with first year coaches, a decent at best OL, and his flaws are showing more.  Well...duh?  We're not the Saints. Rhule/Brady ain't Payton.  Expecting Teddy to magically be good, in this situation especially, was always an absolute longshot and kind of crazy to expect. 

People were trying to extrapolate his 9 TDs in 5 starts and ignored his other full game where he lost and didn't play well. They also wanted to extrapolate using one of the five where he played an awful Tampa D at home and got almost half his TDs. That great game is 1 per season, not 3.33 as it would be in an extrapolation. If you looked at his other 5 full games, he was basically what he's been his whole career. 1 TD per game, some interceptions and pretty much needing a solid D and surrounding cast to be effective.

He's got a good surrounding cast of weapons, but no solid D, so he's got to win games. The supporters mention his pro-bowl year. I'm sorry, but a pro bowl on 14 TD passes, 3200 yards and an under 90 passer rating?

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly don't think we would've given him that contract if this is what we expected. Kyle Allen could've given us this at a small fraction of the price.

KA would probably have more TD passes... This I agree with 21m extra on the cap... 

[Carl Spackler]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well... I mean, he is on his 4th NFL roster in 6 seasons. Might shoulda seen it coming is all I'm saying.

I think Josh McCown is better than Teddy and McCown has been on 62 NFL rosters in just 49 seasons. 

[GoPanthers123]

He is average QB.  So he would be an upgrade for a lot of teams and therefore has trade value.

So now actual relevant question is whether to trade him and what is his value.  

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

I think Josh McCown is better than Teddy and McCown has been on 62 NFL rosters in just 49 seasons. 

LOL! McCown also had journeyman contracts. He only made $10M in one season. He had 7 seasons earning less than $1M. My biggest issue with the Teddy signing was the contract. I honestly still think we were basically bidding against ourselves. I'd have a hard time being convinced the other suitors didn't tap out well before the $20M per range.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

What could this possibly mean? We are paying him $21M a year. The only "role" we can put him in is starting QB for that money. How could he have any value anywhere else? Backup at $21M a year? Nope. LT? Nope. He either is the starting QB or not. I didn't like the move before the season and still don't. I want to be a perennial contender and while it is possible to get there with him, it is also possible we pick the next Mahomes and laugh all the way to the bank. If we want to win the SB then I think odds are we need a new QB.

About the only option I can see is to cut him and re-sign him, unless he would willingly take a pay cut (good luck with that, but ya never know).

Either way, he probably ends up being one of the higher paid backups in the league.

[bigdog10]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly don't think we would've given him that contract if this is what we expected. Kyle Allen could've given us this at a small fraction of the price.

But Kyle Allen didn’t know Joe Brady’s offense, nor would anyone in their right mind want Kyle Allen mentoring a young qb next year. 
 

They were somewhat forced to bring in Teddy if you really sit back and think about it (especially due to Covid). The offense needed a QB who had a firm grasp on what the offensive coordinator was trying to do and could relay that vision to some extremely young and raw offensive weapons. All the while, hopefully performing at an adequate enough level to not completely lose the confidence of his teammates after their former leader (Cam) was cast aside in the offseason. 
 

The signing of TB was way more about instilling a future than it was about contending for 9 wins this year and a 7th seed first round exit in the playoffs. 
 

I equate it to a CEO putting a familiar manager in a market that is underperforming. That interim manager is not the long term solution but in his short time as manager, you hope he can impose the culture and vision of the CEO/company. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, saX man said:

We gave him a pretty baseline disposable contract for a starting QB on a multi year deal. This isn’t against you but we didn’t invest much in the guy and our next QB investment is likely a draft pick. That pick (if they’re even a hit) won’t need a big contract until 2024. Teddy’s deal will be passed soon enough. Seems like a nice kid but we forked over Fitzpatrick money inlflation adjusted. 

At the time is contract with signed, I said it was "bridge" quarterback money, but it did give them options in both directions.

They'd have been able to keep and extend him if he did better than average but they also had outs to let go of him if he was bad.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, bigdog10 said:

But Kyle Allen didn’t know Joe Brady’s offense, nor would anyone in their right mind want Kyle Allen mentoring a young qb next year. 
 

They were somewhat forced to bring in Teddy if you really sit back and think about it (especially due to Covid). The offense needed a QB who had a firm grasp on what the offensive coordinator was trying to do and could relay that vision to some extremely young and raw offensive weapons. All the while, hopefully performing at an adequate enough level to not completely lose the confidence of his teammates after their former leader (Cam) was cast aside in the offseason. 
 

The signing of TB was way more about instilling a future than it was about contending for 9 wins this year and a 7th seed first round exit in the playoffs. 
 

I equate it to a CEO putting a familiar manager in a market that is underperforming. That interim manager is not the long term solution but in his short time as manager, you hope he can impose the culture and vision of the CEO/company. 

Which goes back to my above post. I think we were likely bidding against ourselves for Teddy. I know the media expected him to get roughly what we gave him, I just have a hard time believing that other professional talent evaluators took that same bait. Hurney was probably negotiating against those media contract expectations.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Which goes back to my above post. I think we were likely bidding against ourselves for Teddy. I know the media expected him to get roughly what we gave him, I just have a hard time believing that other professional talent evaluators took that same bait. Hurney was probably negotiating against those media contract expectations.

As much of a Hurney critic as I am, this time that's not the case.

There was another team that had an offer on the table for him (I forget who, might have even been the Patriots) but we came in at the last minute with a better one.

And while Marty was involved, it felt like Brady and Rhule were pushing this one more than he was. Rhule mentioned CB Coach Evan Cooper as another guy who pushed for him.

[MechaZain]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does anybody knock you down when you're cycling?

Plenty of track stars have tried football. Pretty much all of them failed.

Because they tend to be more injury prone due to the lean muscle mass, not because they're out of gas by the end of games or a season. It sounds like you're assuming dude is privately so sore he can't keep it together and that's a stretch.

[raleigh-panther]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The contract tells me we were expecting more.

And that, is really really concerning 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MechaZain said:

Because they tend to be more injury prone due to the lean muscle mass, not because they're out of gass. It sounds like you're assuming dude is secretly so sore he can't keep it together for more than two quarters and that's a stretch. 

Runner/cyclist fatigue is not the same as football fatigue.

Any NFL player will testify that getting hit over and over again takes a lot out of you. Pretty much all of them would likely choose running long distance over getting hit repeatedly.

[BrianS]

We really gotta stop looking at the money like we paid him franchise money.  The fact is that he is the lowest paid veteran starter in the league.  He's the 19th highest paid QB, at 20 ish per season . . . but the two guys below him are Taysom Hill and Joe Burrow @ 10 and 9 per season.

Teddy isn't "the answer", and with a contract we can easily get out of after next year, I think we already knew this.  Sure, Panthers PR and some media want to spin it different just to keep interest in the team, but I don't think that was ever reality.  He's not the man.  He's just warming the seat for the man.