So what was with the game management late yesterday?

[Chaos]

What about the drive before the muffed punt that gifted us the FG late?  We had ample opportunity to run the clock down on both drives but didn't.  Then there was the running play when Mike Davis went out of bounds, I think at the 4:00 minute mark.  I remember just staring at the clock not moving while we took all 40 seconds to run the next play.  It was ineptness all the way around.  If we would have managed the clock better instead of pathetic check down passes falling incomplete, stopping the clock each time, that muffed punt recovery should have allowed us to seal it.

[bigdog10]

Rhules been aggressive all year but when it mattered most yesterday, he clammed up. 
 

I don’t care what the analytics say, they should have ran the ball on 3rd and goal to get the clock to 1:20 and then gone for it on 4th down. 
 

Worst case scenario is you have Cousins backed up on his goal line with no timeouts needing sixty yards to force overtime. 
 

The only way you bring losing into play in that scenario is doing what they did yesterday. 

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Mage said:

DJ was literally wide open. I get what you are saying, but whatever wrong the coaching had to do with that, pales in comparison to the missed throw. The team despite running out of time was in position

Not saying it was perfect but to say that was the “worst game management” you have ever seen is a hugeeeeee stretch. At end of the day the team had SEVERAL chances to win.

There seems to be a common theme in games when the ball is in Teddy's hands with a chance to win.

[Rags]

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What happened? Teddy missed DJ wide open on the endzone for what would've been a game winner but since he did and we ended up losing somehow people have twisted that into "bad game management".

The only error they made was trusting a QB that they shouldn't. They tried to win rather than trying not to lose with a QB that forces you to try not to lose.

This thread seems more apt to cover that throw more than any.

There's literally zero reason not to lead that throw. Even if D.J. sat down in the zone he could've easily worked forward to catch it. That throw was 110% on Teddy who was trying to press most of the game to show he could do what P.J. did.

He couldn't.

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There seems to be a common theme in games when the ball is in Teddy's hands with a chance to win.

Yeah, he crumbles and we lose.

[Rastlet]

16 minutes ago, Mage said:

Joe Brady is getting too much criticism. He’s still a very good OC. He just has a limited QB.

He is the one who wanted him so he doesn't get a pass on the QB.

[CRA]

There are two very consistent things about this year's Panthers

1.  Teddy Bridgewater will do what he has always done.  Opt not to push the ball downfield and take the safe check down throws. 

2.  Joe Brady will morph from great playcaller.....to horrific late game playcaller in crunch time. 

You can put money on those two things.  Same size is large enough on both.  Massively large on #1.  Pretty clear cut on #2.   Difference is Brady still can hopefully learn and grow as he is essentially a rookie in his role as a NFL playcaller. 

Good news is, there is no way Joe Brady is getting hired as a HC any time soon.  His crunch time resume is far too weak and and crunch time is what the NFL is all about.  Most games come down to that. 

[Mage]

1 minute ago, Rastlet said:

He is the one who wanted him so he doesn't get a pass on the QB.

Sure, but that doesn’t make him a bad OC. 

[LinvilleGorge]

The key difference in yesterday's game is that they had a QB who could deliver in the clutch and we didn't. Skill-wise there isn't a big gap between Cousins and Teddy. Mentality-wise there is. Cousins isn't an elite QB and he's overpaid, but he does get the most out of his physical abilities IMO.

[Khyber53]

22 minutes ago, Mage said:

Joe Brady is getting too much criticism. He’s still a very good OC. He just has a limited QB.

Honestly, I think Joe Brady is going to be a great offensive coordinator, but you can tell he is still learning the pro game. If he heads out to a HC job after this season, I think it is going to be a disaster. Right now I think he needs to get back into the coach's box to get a better top-down view and to get clear of the sideline chaos and people getting into his ear. 

He's also having trouble getting the plays out quickly enough and we're coming to the line with eight to ten seconds to go. It's beginning to look like Cam and Rivera out there. And clock management in the fourth quarter was terrible...  why were we throwing the ball when we'd had a good day on the ground and the need to grind out the clock? Just stupid stuff.

He's a really innovative guy and a future mastermind of offensive football, but right now, he has his "not ready for prime time" moments.

And yeah, Teddy had a bad, bad day out there. That sure didn't help.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

two runs already, only resulting in 6 yards. you run it on 3rd and goal at the 3 and get stopped again (very likely) and you guarantee the vikings a chance to win it with a touchdown OR you call a great play to set up an easy touchdown and put the game away. we spent like a decade complaining about how rivera coached "not to lose" and yet here we are today pretending as if this wasn't an excellent call that should have ended the game

20 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Could more time before the snap have allowed Teddy to recognize the coverage better and find the open man and not hurry the throw?

teddy found the open man. he just wasn't capable of making the throw. and if he was hurrying the throw, idk why. looks like about as clean of a pocket as you can hope for in the nfl, especially in that situation. he's just not built for this.

 

[WoahW]

Lol not shocking to see this thread.

Outside of the drive before the muffed punt where they should have ran the ball more coaching wasn’t bad.

Cousins has been lights out all year in the 4th, and to say the play call was late when Moore had no defenders within 8 yards on any side of him is silly. Throw in if Teddy had more time he would have changed the play to a run.

Snow and Brady have been inconsistent but yesterday was on Teddy throwing an INT in red zone, and then costing them 14 points on two poo throws, one of which hurt the star WR 

[stbugs]

25 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Could more time before the snap have allowed Teddy to recognize the coverage better and find the open man and not hurry the throw?

 

Teddy sucked yesterday. Point blank.

But aside from that, the coaching was very, very bad. Even Rhule has said as much.

Two questions.

1. How would recognizing the coverage help him “more” find the open man that he found? Are you saying he didn’t have enough time to know where Moore was going to be on the play?

2. How did hurrying up the snap make him hurry up the throw? Has he never played in a hurry up offense or played in a 2 minute drill before? Are you saying Teddy is incapable of running hurry up without hurting his target on a terrible throw? Do we need to have dual QBs one for playing with a lead and a non-Teddy one if we ever have to hurry up and come back?

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

There are two very consistent things about this year's Panthers

1.  Teddy Bridgewater will do what he has always done.  Opt not to push the ball downfield and take the safe check down throws. 

2.  Joe Brady will morph from great playcaller.....to horrific late game playcaller in crunch time. 

You can put money on those two things.  Same size is large enough on both.  Massively large on #1.  Pretty clear cut on #2.   Difference is Brady still can hopefully learn and grow as he is essentially a rookie in his role as a NFL playcaller. 

Good news is, there is no way Joe Brady is getting hired as a HC any time soon.  His crunch time resume is far too weak and and crunch time is what the NFL is all about.  Most games come down to that. 

If Teddy could make a gimmie throw in the clutch everyone would be singing the praises of Joe Brady but since Teddy couldn't he's a "horrific late game play caller in crunch time". LOL