Panthers position group grades Spot on about Teddy

[TLGPanthersFan]

38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Agreed on the other position groups. Teddy started out better than I expected but has regressed to what I expected  I figured that the more tape became available on him with us the worse he'd look.

I knew once teams got film on Teddy he would regress. 

[t96]

Pretty spot on for the most part. Only comments are:

- Probably wouldn't give a D to TEs, they've been okay blocking and just aren't used or targeted much in the passing game so a D seems a bit unfair. Maybe an I for incomplete...

- B is quite generous for OL... They've been better than expected considering the injuries but still a total mess most of the time, with only 1 consistently great player (Moton). 

[TheSpecialJuan]

I would agree with this 

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think they graded the OL too high (having them graded the same as the DL seems off to me).  The problem with using sack numbers to compare our OL to the rest of the league is this is supposed to be a quick-hit, timing based offense so the number had better be lower.  If they are relying solely on stats vs. an eye test, I can see how that happened.  That is the only big miss I see.

I think the LBs are graded slightly too high.  I'd probably give them a C-, and without Chinn, that grade would be worse. 

Other than those nits, it looks pretty reasonable to me.

Agree. Lot of things to consider for Oline. Last I checked TB has the 4th quickest release in the NFL due to his conservative dink and dink style. You can’t grade him below average and knock him for those flaws and at the same time say his oline is graded higher because they block for a QB with these stats, it makes no sense. I think the Panthers need to move on from TB too but let’s put things in perspective.

Aside from Moton the oline is trash. Only other respectable player is Okung but he is half way out to door to go retire and is never on the field.

Also the oline does surprising well for the first half in almost every game we’ve played and then falls apart disastrously in the second half of almost every game when the win is on the line and they’re needed most. So the stats are skewed.

[thefuzz]

Below average team, with a few bright spots.  Most every position group needs to be overhauled.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

Everyone's prediction of Bridgewater from the start was accurate. Good enough to win a few games while losing draft positions but bad enough that he doesn't push the team any further. He is who he is (average). The fact we paid him that much money to be average quarterback is unbelievable.

At this point, there is no excuse. We have explosive weapons (DJ, Robby, and Curtis) and our offensive line has been playing decent recently.

[MasterAwesome]

C+ for linebackers seems fair if you actually read their assessment.  They specifically highlight the recent improvements with the replacement of Carter Jr. for Whitehead, who was without a doubt the biggest liability.  Since they do appear to be factoring in the performance of each position group over all 12 games so far, I'm sure they are still considering Whitehead, but they are probably assigning a much lower weight to his grade given his apparent benching.

If you consider a C as being "average", which is pretty much the universal standard, then C+ naturally correlates to slightly above average.  I'd consider Chinn and Shaq to both be at least Bs...maybe a B or B+ for Shaq and a B+ or A- for Chinn.  If Carter Jr. is even just average (C), then that leaves the current position group in probably that B range.  Detract some points for the earlier struggles (*cough* Whitehead *cough*), then voila...C+.

[AceBoogie]

We know what PJ Walker and Willy can do. It ain’t much. Gotta play the guy you gave the money to and start working on finding the long term answer. There are only two QBs in the draft who serve as better options than Teddy and we won’t be in a position to draft either of them. That was the problem with signing Teddy in the first place. Cut Cam fine, that decision is defensible with his current play, but this should have been a tank season. This is what happens when you let a hot shot young OC come in and start making decisions for your franchise. 

[thefuzz]

51 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Everyone's prediction of Bridgewater from the start was accurate. Good enough to win a few games while losing draft positions but bad enough that he doesn't push the team any further. He is who he is (average). The fact we paid him that much money to be average quarterback is unbelievable.

At this point, there is no excuse. We have explosive weapons (DJ, Robby, and Curtis) and our offensive line has been playing decent recently.

This was 1 of my major issues with this past offseason....1 of probably 10+.

 

While "competing" and trying hard, and winning a couple games can certainly help set up a new coaching staff (notice I didn't use the word regime since ding dong is still here) establish a "culture".....what it was really going to do was ensure that we don't have a shot at one of the top tier players in this upcoming draft, and we wasted a large amount of cap space to win those 2.2 games....maybe.

Dumb team.

[thefuzz]

10 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

We know what PJ Walker and Willy can do. It ain’t much. Gotta play the guy you gave the money to and start working on finding the long term answer. There are only two QBs in the draft who serve as better options than Teddy and we won’t be in a position to draft either of them. That was the problem with signing Teddy in the first place. Cut Cam fine, that decision is defensible with his current play, but this should have been a tank season. This is what happens when you let a hot shot young OC come in and start making decisions for your franchise. 

We didn't need to tank, we were already there, we just needed to make a few smart decisions.  That's what so many posters on this board had a hard time with in the offseason.

Really 3 somewhat smart decisions, and we would be in a much better place long term.  No to Teddy.  No to Anderson.  No to brining back KK.

 

[TLGPanthersFan]

58 minutes ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Everyone's prediction of Bridgewater from the start was accurate. Good enough to win a few games while losing draft positions but bad enough that he doesn't push the team any further. He is who he is (average). The fact we paid him that much money to be average quarterback is unbelievable.

At this point, there is no excuse. We have explosive weapons (DJ, Robby, and Curtis) and our offensive line has been playing decent recently.

Another reason to fire Hurney. I think he could have gotten Bridgewater for less. Like 2 years 20 million. 

[onmyown]

TBs two year contract is pretty irrelevant seeing as the Panthers have the most dead cap in the NFL anyways. But the time it clears he’ll be gone and the defense might actually be good enough to compete. And he can mentor a QB until mid next season when he comes off the bench. Not really a huge problem.

But if you want to talk contract and cap problems, there IS much more relevant discussion there in other areas.

As far as just rolling with Allen, Grier or Walker to tank, it’s not very encouraging for a new coach and and expect young players learning a new system to give all their effort with this kind of message.

And as history shows tanking for a player is not a guarantee, nor is it predictable. Some times it works. Most the time it does not.

Finally, no one is beating the Jets this year to Lawrence, period. Not to mention how there are so many teams this year doing awful. PJ and Allen are easily winning 2-3 games which puts us past a top pick anyways. This team is bad but not atrocious enough to compete for a top pick this year.

Grier would be our only shot I’d think but not enough info to really know.

I think huddlers are just mad they set the bar too high, this poo is all short term and doesn’t affect the bigger picture at all, and it’s to be expected.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, onmyown said:

As far as just rolling with Allen, Grier or Walker to tank, it’s not very encouraging for a new coach and and expect young players learning a new system to give all their effort with this kind of message.

My argument for sticking with Allen was that we were basically paying a LOT more money for a guy who really wasn't much of an upgrade. I said Teddy was basically a non-fumbling Kyle Allen and the more he plays the truer that starts to look.

[MechaZain]

PJ's shown enough to deserve the opportunity. It doesn't have to be an outright effort to lose.