The "Let's get a QB in the 1st round" group

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

A great QB will be Cam Newton 2.0 if we don't find an LT. Our odds at one will drop next year, but Sewell falls to us and we have the chance to get that position right once and for all we have to take it in my opinion. 

I definitely agree that we need to do a much better job of prioritizing protection for our next franchise QB. But you basically just summed up the difference between an elite OT and an elite QB. You can have an elite OT and still absolutely suck as a team. If you have an elite QB you're going to be able to compete and possibly even field a great team despite trash at OT, you just run the risk of getting that QB beat to hell in the process.

[OneBadCat]

I think we’ll take a chance on a QB. If we wait until 2022 then the roster might be too good by then to get a low enough pick.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Pimpdaddy said:

QB is mostly a crapshoot.... it is possible to get a good QB in the first round without a top 3 pick but they are far and few between....I think we'll build on the core this year and possibly get one in 22... build the team and the scheme.

I agree with the post below and will add that a QB is one pick. We don’t have to stop building when we get one. Use the other 6 picks for other building. If we draft like 2017/2020 and not like 2018/2019 building around a new QB becomes easier.

44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Not so sure about that plan. I don't expect to draft as high next year - likely mid-1st IMO. And next year's QB crop is kinda looking like Sam Howell and a bunch of meh unless someone takes a big step forward and then you're drafting a one year wonder.

Agree completely. As we get better and win some of these close games we don’t pick as high and who knows if the QB class is as good. Maybe we can pull a trade up because moving from 4 (lord willing) isn’t as huge a task if Lawrence says no to the Jets or maybe Lawrence and Fields push down a solid QB like Herbert (still shocked at him). Burrow and Tua at the top made Herbert drop and Herbert was talked about the year before as a potential top pick before going back. Maybe Wilson/Lance would have gone at the top next year with a full non-CV impacted year. Might as well take a chance especially when I agree that there are way more good prospects this year.

[Pup McBarky]

Considering Brady's QB's...Brees, TB, and Burrow...I'd say if he has a favorite, it's likely someone like Jones. Guy is not a great athlete, but he's smart, insanely accurate, and cool under pressure...granted, he hasn't faced a ton of pressure, but more than you'd think. Wilson has a better arm, but Jones' arm isn't weak by any stretch. And again, he knows how to throw the football to the right spot. That's something a LOT of college QBs don't learn until they get to the NFL because the windows are quite a bit larger in college.

I'm not advocating for Jones...unless he's Rhule's pick as well. I don't really trust Brady to make such a decision. I don't care how smart he is, experience cannot be replaced by sheer intellect and instinct. I'll trust Rhule, for the time being, since I'm confident last year's draft has his fingerprints all over it and by anyone's standards, that was a damn good draft. So if he's on board for Jones, or Wilson, or Trask, or whoever...I'll be okay with it.

[t96]

I can tell you right now, there are 4 QBs who would NOT be reaches in the top 5. Lawrence, Fields, Lance, Wilson. If we're picking 5th and all 4 go before us, yeah obviously we're not taking the scrub 5th best QB there. But if we're at 4, whichever QB we like best of the 4 that is available at that spot is the right pick. I don't care how good that LT is or other prospects are, all 4 of those QBs are a tremendous chance to get your 10+ year franchise QB and are well worth a top 5 pick.. A chance that we likely won't have again in the draft in upcoming years (other than getting lucky with a hit on later picks). You have to take the QB there. 

[Tbe]

32 minutes ago, stbugs said:

 push down a solid QB like Herbert (still shocked at him).

Soooo many people on here considered him a scrub or a ‘project’. 
 

I think Wilson and fields will do well.

[stbugs]

11 minutes ago, Tbe said:

Soooo many people on here considered him a scrub or a ‘project’. 
 

I think Wilson and fields will do well.

I watched him his senior year, he was check down special and in big games he wasn’t good. I think in his case it really seemed like the coaches either didn’t trust him or were playing more not to lose. I remember the ASU game and he looked terrible. The next three games including the Pac12 championship and the bowl game his high was 193 yards and he totaled 2 TDs and 1 INT in those 3 games. I think all the folks in here watched that like I did and thought man he can’t be trusted in the big games. Clearly, it had more to do with the coaching than him. It’s not that he didn’t have a big arm but the games I saw were just bad to limited, nothing awesome.

That said, if you gave me a choice between taking Herbert and signing Teddy to $63M, I would have taken Herbert all day long. Brown wasn’t going to make us a playoff team and I’d much rather have saved cap and if Herbert sucked we can pull an Arizona and trade Herbert after taking Lawrence/Fields. Last thing I wanted was more of the 5-11/7-9/8-8 no upside QB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I watched him his senior year, he was check down special and in big games he wasn’t good. I think in his case it really seemed like the coaches either didn’t trust him or were playing more not to lose. I remember the ASU game and he looked terrible. The next three games including the Pac12 championship and the bowl game his high was 193 yards and he totaled 2 TDs and 1 INT in those 3 games. I think all the folks in here watched that like I did and thought man he can’t be trusted in the big games. Clearly, it had more to do with the coaching than him. It’s not that he didn’t have a big arm but the games I saw were just bad to limited, nothing awesome.

That said, if you gave me a choice between taking Herbert and signing Teddy to $63M, I would have taken Herbert all day long. Brown wasn’t going to make us a playoff team and I’d much rather have saved cap and if Herbert sucked we can pull an Arizona and trade Herbert after taking Lawrence/Fields. Last thing I wanted was more of the 5-11/7-9/8-8 no upside QB. 

Bingo. In hindsight, all of my criticisms of Herbert were much more criticisms of that staff and system than they were of Herbert and I admitted at the time this could turn out to be the case. The guy checked every physical attribute box but all I can do is formulate an opinion based on watching games. I don't go digging into the coach's background to understand his system and I can't interview the prospects to determine whether they're capable of more than is being put on their plate.

[Khyber53]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I will admit to pondering the question of if, for whatever pure fantasy of a reason you can come up with, Penei Sewell were to be available at our pick, would you take him over your favorite non Trevor Lawrence quarterback choice?

Yeah, I would. I just think you win with the O-line and lose with a franchise QB and no-line. Ask Cincinnati for details. 

 

[stbugs]

25 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Yeah, I would. I just think you win with the O-line and lose with a franchise QB and no-line. Ask Cincinnati for details. 

 

Or Cleveland. They had Joe Thomas and Mitchell Schwartz for years and got nowhere until Mayfield. I know they have other talent as well but they sure don’t have two of the best tackles in the game and they are way better than they’ve ever been the past 20 years.

QBs getting hurt like Burrow did are pretty rare occurrences. Yes they need some more protection but aside from the recovery I’d bet they are happy having Burrow and will likely get Sewell.

I don’t recall a team winning a SB without either a top QB or a historic D. Has a team ever won with a middle of the road D and QB but an amazing OL?

[Sgt Schultz]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I definitely agree that we need to do a much better job of prioritizing protection for our next franchise QB. But you basically just summed up the difference between an elite OT and an elite QB. You can have an elite OT and still absolutely suck as a team. If you have an elite QB you're going to be able to compete and possibly even field a great team despite trash at OT, you just run the risk of getting that QB beat to hell in the process.

Is simply competing what the Huddle is shooting for? 

We had the best QB in our history accompanied by the best MLB, and what exactly did that get us?  In eight seasons with both Cam and Luke, we had three winning records, four playoff appearances three playoff wins, and one Super Bowl appearance.  The year those two were accompanied by probably the best defense in our history, we sniffed a Lombardi.  And we didn't bring that one home for what reason?

Not exactly dominance or even enough consistency to call it a “winning tradition.”  Mostly, we were competitive except when we were not.

I'm not saying QB is the wrong pick in the first.  After last year's draft, I trust our coaching staff to drive who they want not only in terms of who the #1 pick is, but who they think their future QB is. 

But if we can't protect whoever that QB is, it becomes a moot point. 

Don’t let the competitiveness in this year's games fool us, we still have many huge roster holes.  So many that there may not be a bad pick for us, as long as we do not reach at any position.  But, for those thinking drafting a QB in the top 5 will magically mask those holes, think again.  We've been there, done that, and have the T-shirt for it.  So have a few other teams along the way.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Is simply competing what the Huddle is shooting for? 

 

 

We had the best QB in our history accompanied by the best MLB, and what exactly did that get us?  In eight seasons with both Cam and Luke, we had three winning records, four playoff appearances three playoff wins, and one Super Bowl appearance.  The year those two were accompanied by probably the best defense in our history, we sniffed a Lombardi.  And we didn't bring that one home for what reason?

Not exactly dominance or even enough consistency to call it a “winning tradition.”  Mostly, we were competitive except when we were not.

I'm not saying QB is the wrong pick in the first.  After last year's draft, I trust our coaching staff to drive who they want not only in terms of who the #1 pick is, but who they think their future QB is. 

But if we can't protect whoever that QB is, it becomes a moot point. 

Don’t let the competitiveness in this year's games fool us, we still have many huge roster holes.  So many that there may not be a bad pick for us, as long as we do not reach at any position.  But, for those thinking drafting a QB in the top 5 will magically mask those holes, think again.  We've been there, done that, and have the T-shirt for it.  So have a few other teams along the way.

I'm simply saying that QB is by far and away the most important position on the roster and if you have the chance you have to jump when you have the opportunity to get one.

No doubt we have plenty of holes on the roster but you're not fixing them all with one pick or even one draft class.

[CRA]

Streak Watch!

Teddy has a chance to tie Cam Newton's 8 game losing streak this weekend as a starter for the Panthers.   Cam lost 8 consecutive starts over the course of the 2018 and then 2019 season. 

Once Teddy puts Cam (already tied Jimmy) in the rearview he can put his sights on the one and only Chris Weinke's very impressive 14 game streak. 

 

 

* yes, I realize QBs unfairly get too much credit for the Ws and Ls and it isn't a fair QB stat.  But I looked it up so I shared. 

[ForJimmy]

The teams that are consistently good (Chiefs, Steelers, Packers, Saints, Seahawks) all have great QBs who they built their offenses around. If we want to be a consistent playoff team, we need to find our QB AND address other needs like the line. If we are sitting in the top 10 and a guy our staff believes can be that guy is there you absolutely take him. It’s the same reason everyone knows the Jets are taking Lawrence when Darnold may be a solid QB with the right players around him. It’s the same reason why the Jags will take one at 2 when Sewell is a pro ready LT. QB is arguably the most important position in all sports. It’s worth a risk of a first round pick to draft one if we think there is a good chance he can become great.