Chinn up, everyone

[MHS831]

Jeremy Chinn, the late second round pick from Southern Illinois, just became the third Panther to reach 100 tackles as a rookie--and he is a defensive back/OLB/Nickel hybrid player.  The other 2?  Middle Linebackers Luke and Jon Beason. 

And there is talk that Chase Young is in the running for defensive ROY.  No way.

• Young has 35 (26 solo) tackles,  5.5 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles and a fumble return of 47 yards. 
• Chinn has 101 tackles (61 solo), 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception, and 2 fumble returns for 45 yards, and 2 TDs.

By far our best player this season. Pro Bowler.

[bigdog10]

Chinn is amazing but they will give Young the DROY. He’s on a playoff team and has more name recognition. 
 

Hard to give DROY to a team that is going to win four games. 

[ForJimmy]

DE is a more sexy position the LB/SS. Unfortunately people don’t get as excited about tackles no matter how many he gets. He will have to get even more turnovers to get it.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, bigdog10 said:

Hard to give DROY to a team that is going to win four games. 

Bosa got it in 2016 and the Chargers won 5. 

[electro's horse]

he's already won defensive rookie of the month twice. 

you'd think the same things that would theoretically stop him from getting DROTY would have stopped him there. 

like it's pretty clear listening to the announcers the league is aware how freakishly good this kid is. the panthers coverage prepares during the week to talk about him. 

and last night, good lord he was all over the field in the first half. he cleaned up everything. 

[Anybodyhome]

When Chase Young starts lining up at a few other positions, I'll listen.

Otherwise, I'll stick with OLB/S/CB Chinn.

[Kuhndog94]

Chinn has it and it's not even close. The kid is special. A steal in the 2nd round for sure. He is what we wanted Shaq to be. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

I think he deserves ROY but Young has received so much more press.  Every time he makes a play (far less than Chinn) they talk about what a freak of athlete he is.  Frustrating to hear but I won't be shocked when they give it to Young.

[AU-panther]

22 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Jeremy Chinn, the late second round pick from Southern Illinois, just became the third Panther to reach 100 tackles as a rookie--and he is a defensive back/OLB/Nickel hybrid player.  The other 2?  Middle Linebackers Luke and Jon Beason. 

And there is talk that Chase Young is in the running for defensive ROY.  No way.

• Young has 35 (26 solo) tackles,  5.5 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles and a fumble return of 47 yards. 
• Chinn has 101 tackles (61 solo), 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles, 1 interception, and 2 fumble returns for 45 yards, and 2 TDs.

By far our best player this season. Pro Bowler.

If we are going to use tackles a huge indicator of performance does that mean Boston is our 3rd best player on defense?

Don't get me wrong, I like what Chinn has done so far this year but people severally overate tackles as a indicator of playing well.

Tackles are largely a product of scheme and position.  If another safety played in his spot would their tackle totals be much different?  Would those tackles happen a step sooner? a step later? Tackles by themselves don't tell you the entire picture.

 

 

[electro's horse]

its funny you talk about boston's tackles, because i was thinking about that last night

when Chinn comes in for a tackle there's no question what's happening; he crushes people. 

when Boston comes in for a tackle, it's basically jesus take the wheel

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

If we are going to use tackles a huge indicator of performance does that mean Boston is our 3rd best player on defense?

Don't get me wrong, I like what Chinn has done so far this year but people severally overate tackles as a indicator of playing well.

Tackles are largely a product of scheme and position.  If another safety played in his spot would their tackle totals be much different?  Would those tackles happen a step sooner? a step later? Tackles by themselves don't tell you the entire picture.

 

 

Tackles by LBers are the indicator of success. Because this means the tackles are being made before they are getting to second level (the majority of the time) Tackles by Safeties depend on the position they play (FS or SS) and the style of defense. In the case of Chinn, it is not over rate to use tackles to determine his performance. His a LB and expected to stop the ball carrier from getting to the secondary.

[electro's horse]

also boston is a pile jumper

chinn is far more often making solo tackles

[TheRumGone]

Chinn was on Adam’s a lot last night if people didn’t notice. Not the whole game but noticeable snaps. 40 something yards for him.

he is an absolute stud and can line up in so many positions and do damage. Imagine what this defense is gonna be able to do in two years when these players are in their 3rd and 4th years. Like I’ve said this defense will be elite in two years.

[joemac]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

he's already won defensive rookie of the month twice. 

you'd think the same things that would theoretically stop him from getting DROTY would have stopped him there. 

like it's pretty clear listening to the announcers the league is aware how freakishly good this kid is. the panthers coverage prepares during the week to talk about him. 

and last night, good lord he was all over the field in the first half. he cleaned up everything. 

He plays at a different speed than everybody else on our D. He flys around like a damn missile out there.