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Gantt weighs in on Deshaun Watson and Matt Stafford

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1 minute ago, spizike99x said:

Last I checked a healthy Deshaun Watson, who’s team went 10-6 lost to the Kyle Allen/Ron Rivera Panthers 16-10. Didn’t throw a single TD. Went 21-33 with 160 yards. So why are you guys trying to rip on Stafford that had a thumb injury and played for the Lions that were clearly not on board with Matt Patricia anymore. I’m not trying to be a Matt Stafford apologist here but a lot of the stuff people say on here is clearly biased. 

I literally laughed out loud after reading this post

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15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://theathletic.com/2341968/2021/01/24/detroit-lions-nfl-mock-draft-matthew-stafford/

 

This has us trading the 8 pick for Stafford. 

 

Needless to say I would lose my mind if we did this

Unfortunately I think its going to take a 1st, I just think ours it too high.

It makes a lot of sense for a team like Indy or the Patriots or the 49ers.  Spend a 1st on Stafford or Trask?  Spend a 1st on Stafford or Jones?  You can see why that wouldn't be too hard to convince yourself to do.

In some ways it is going to be hard for us to make that trade.  We might feel like our #8 is to much, but what do we give instead.  Next years 1st? 

Honestly I think Detroit is probably wanting a first this year that they can package with 7 and move up this year for a QB.  A 2021 1st probably will be more attractive for that than a future one or multiple lower picks this year.  I don't think a player is really that enticing for Detroit unless they can use that player to move up, but then the team you are trading with might not player.  Just seems like a 1st this year is the best currency they can want if their goal is to move up in the draft.

 

 

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I like how in this thread the article was saying that Watson isn't vastly...I can repeat for the Huddle since Huddle do what it do but *vastly* better than Stafford. And that is a true statement. Then we have someone posted stats that confirmed that and then said the opposite somehow lol.

vast·ly
/ˈvas(t)lē/
adverb
  1. to a very great extent; immensely.

Then we had someone knock the idea of value rofl. This poo is always great.
If we got Stafford for just one first round pick that is a much better deal than trading at minimum 3 first round picks. Given our new GMs take we would still be drafting QBs to develop while we had a hypothetical Stafford. We could also expect to see some trade downs given that we have a higher 2nd and 3rd round pick this year to get us more selections.

As a Clemson fan I'd love to get Watson but it's just inarguable that Staffords price tag is a better deal and it's laughable at some of the trade ideas in addition to 3 first rounders that some on here have put forth.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Stafford will want to be traded to a playoff contending team, we are not that. 

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE:

If we sign Stafford, trade back for a few picks, address OT, CB, LB, TE---and we get CMC back, and we sign a G--

And Brees has retired, Brady and Ryan not far behind...I would think this could be a situation a vet QB might like.

I think we can compete for a playoff spot in 2021.

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2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE:

If we sign Stafford, trade back for a few picks, address OT, CB, LB, TE---and we get CMC back, and we sign a G--

And Brees has retired, Brady and Ryan not far behind...I would think this could be a situation a vet QB might like.

I think we can compete for a playoff spot in 2021.

Not say the win now approach will not work going after a veteran QB, it just doesn't set up for long term success.  If going that route, we would have to get a lock down CB in FA to go on the other side of the ball. Our porous secondary is about a putrid as the QB play, so one need would necessitate the other going for the quick fix.

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1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Not say the win now approach will not work going after a veteran QB, it just doesn't set up for long term success.  If going that route, we would have to get a lock down CB in FA to go on the other side of the ball. Our porous secondary is about a putrid as the QB play, so one need would necessitate the other going for the quick fix.

Stafford isn't even the win now approach as that term is usually applied. It just doesn't fug our first round picks going forward and gives us an actual QB for the next 5 years while we draft and groom a QB for the system Rhule wants to run as even the OC will be gone sooner rather than later. We will still draft a QB within the first three rounds with Stafford as QB.

I would rather have either of those guys than a rookie 8th pick and Watson is worth 3 firsts I honestly don't see this current regime giving up more than that. I don't get the impression at all that Tepper/Rhule/Fitterer feel it's Watson or bust or that they aren't smart enough to get someone on their own. Would be interesting to see how much Hurney taught them about what not to do lol. Tepper didn't exactly sing his praises when we retained him and as poo as Hurney is Tepper is even less experienced so he even said he used this time to learn.

I like a lot of what I've heard from this owner and that is independent of how it actually turns out. I've seen smart people make decisions that don't pan out and I've seen it a lot. The stuff he says and the way in which he has been conducting this isn't incompetent. 

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