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Mr. Scot

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OldhamA Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Sidebar - can we all be thankful that that Hurney isn't still here trying to negotiate for these QBs. If you want to have concerns for the future, picture Hurney on the other end of the phone with Houston, Detroit, Philadelphia and the Jets. 

I'm bored enough to look.

His trade history:

  • Josh McCown for a 7th rounder (2008)
  • JJ Jansen for a 7th rounder (2009)
  • Greg Olsen for a 3rd rounder (2011)
  • Colin Jones for a 7th rounder (2012)
  • Bruce Campbell for Mike Goodson (2012)
  • Corey Robinson for a 7th rounder (2018)
  • Marshall Newhouse for a 7th rounder (2018)
  • Torrey Smith for Daryl Worley (2018) 

He actually appears to be a pretty savvy trader and would be offering nickels on the dollar for these QBs. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

The tweet literally reads "This IS year four" aka this will be his fourth season of ownership.

He should have said "season 4", and furthermore you really can't even count the first season, unless you're trying to be a bit disingenuous (which he probably is).

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Last year's available quarterbacks included guys like Philip Rivers, Ryan Tannehill and that guy who signed with Tampa among others.

Among all the QB hoopla from last year, the QBs in the draft went exactly where everyone (those that intently follow it) thought they would go.  No teams gave up the farm to move way up Burrow at #1 or Herbert or Tua.  People say, "BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT!" No, it really isn't, and with one extra starting QB available at the top of this draft.

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8 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

That one is on Brady as much as it is Hurney. Teddy was Brady's guy from NO so Rhule went along with it and is also to blame. The only blame Hurney really gets is handing him a loaded contract to boot.

Really in hindsight we should have just gone with Cam last year.

I don’t think Cam would’ve played. He was rolling around in a leg cast whining about ‘commitment’.

Would he have signed a deal like TB got that basically screams the opposite of commitment (which is ironic as the Panthers never looked to replace him for 2 years as he rehabbed)? Hard to believe.

Whats easier to believe is he played the FA game on his terms and lost.

But yea I’m with you, I’d rather tell him to suck it up buttercup and send him out there as a lame duck for his final year and save us from TB. But then again it’s  hard to say what kind of impression and environment that would be for the locker room.

Or maybe the Panthers just did what he wanted if there was not going to be a deal out of respect. Poor business move though, we will never really know the details.

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1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Among all the QB hoopla from last year, the QBs in the draft went exactly where everyone (those that intently follow it) thought they would go.  No teams gave up the farm to move way up Burrow at #1 or Herbert or Tua.  People say, "BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT!" No, it really isn't, and with one extra starting QB available at the top of this draft.

Its insanity to think otherwise.  In the modern era where the QB is literally the most important position in all of sports 4 qbs have never gone in the top 10 much less the top 7 but but but this is the year it finally happens.  In reality we probably will still have a choice of 2 between the top 4.

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