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Go on record. Who still wants Watson?


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10 minutes ago, Agent Blue said:

Which big time player that was accused of rap got sentenced to jail and missed many seasons? Hell even 1 season?

At worst Watson will settle in a civil suit and he will not be out of action long. 

Rap is a super tough thing to criminally prosecute / convict. 

I would not be worried about losing any assets. 

Which big time player was accused by 20+ different women? You would have to be absolutely certain Watson did nothing wrong before you trade for him and there is no way to know that. It would be a complete fug up if the Panthers traded for someone who were to be found guilty under of this. If you want him you let this play out and then trade for him if and when he is exonerated. Until then it would be terrible mismanagement. Y’all need to move on from this Watson stuff. Ship had sailed.

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18 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

Which big time player was accused by 20+ different women? You would have to be absolutely certain Watson did nothing wrong before you trade for him and there is no way to know that. It would be a complete fug up if the Panthers traded for someone who were to be found guilty under of this. If you want him you let this play out and then trade for him if and when he is exonerated. Until then it would be terrible mismanagement. Y’all need to move on from this Watson stuff. Ship had sailed.

20 women out of the blue during his dispute with houston. Yea not worried in the slightest. 

as I said, rap is damn near impossible to prove if you wait to go to the police. 

worst case he pays off some of these girls in a civil suit. 

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9 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

Which big time player was accused by 20+ different women? You would have to be absolutely certain Watson did nothing wrong before you trade for him and there is no way to know that. It would be a complete fug up if the Panthers traded for someone who were to be found guilty under of this. If you want him you let this play out and then trade for him if and when he is exonerated. Until then it would be terrible mismanagement. Y’all need to move on from this Watson stuff. Ship had sailed.

This... there's so much smoke at this point, you wouldn't be able to see the fire whether it's there or not... and enough smoke will kill even without seeing the fire.

Even in the very best of lights, Watson showed unbelievably bad judgement and put himself in compromising situations time and time (and time) again.

There is no good explanation for a franchise QB (who has access to professional massage therapists through the team anytime he wants or needs) to be seeking out multiple young, female "massage therapists" off Instagram (during a pandemic no less) and flying them in to perform a hybrid of legit massage therapy with other acts that are obviously more sexual in nature...

Watson at the very least put himself in positions again and again with multiple young females where he could blur the line of consent and justify overtly sexual acts as part of a "massage."

Even if nothing non-consensual happened (and that seems far less likely with the sheer volume of women), Watson was undoubtedly using his fame, power, and money to orchestrate an environment where these things not only could happen, but were likely to happen.

Watson obviously used these "massage therapy" sessions to fulfill his own sexual desires, and in many cases (again even in the best light) either mislead or outright lied to these women going into the sessions about what was expected only to continue to ask for more and more acts that went beyond normal massage therapy into sexual acts.

That's not behavior you want in the person most representing your franchise and someone you're committing to paying $100M+, even if it's not ultimately deemed criminal.

I wanted Deshaun Watson here so badly, for reasons both on and off the field.  But after these revelations, there's no way...

The Niners trading up to #3 was the first domino falling as teams move past the idea of trading for Watson.

The problem with the Panthers is that we went so far "all-in" on Watson, we don't have anywhere else to go...

 

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Just now, Agent Blue said:

20 women out of the blue during his dispute with houston. Yea not worried in the slightest. 

as I said, rap is damn near impossible to prove if you wait to go to the police. 

worst case he pays off some of these girls in a civil suit. 

You’re projecting. You have no idea what the evidence is b/c none of this has even gone to litigation. You’re just assuming this can’t be real b/c of the timing. No one knows what happened other than Deshaun and the girls. You don’t know, I don’t know, and the Panthers don’t know. With that uncertainty it would be absolutely stupid to trade for him. You have to let the legal  process play out and that is gonna happen later rather than sooner. You also understand this is a civil lawsuit? The burden of proof is much lower than a criminal claim. In layman’s terms it’s basically a little over 50% chance. If the girls have texts and other evidence it’s not impossible to meet that burden. But again, no one knows the evidence. So, at this point trading for Watson would be absolutely batshit.

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16 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

You’re projecting. You have no idea what the evidence is b/c none of this has even gone to litigation. You’re just assuming this can’t be real b/c of the timing. No one knows what happened other than Deshaun and the girls. You don’t know, I don’t know, and the Panthers don’t know. With that uncertainty it would be absolutely stupid to trade for him. You have to let the legal  process play out and that is gonna happen later rather than sooner. You also understand this is a civil lawsuit? The burden of proof is much lower than a criminal claim. In layman’s terms it’s basically a little over 50% chance. If the girls have texts and other evidence it’s not impossible to meet that burden. But again, no one knows the evidence. So, at this point trading for Watson would be absolutely batshit.

civil settlement means nothing. 

at most he might miss a few games. 

again, nothing to be concerned about. 

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13 minutes ago, Agent Blue said:

civil settlement means nothing. 

at most he might miss a few games. 

again, nothing to be concerned about. 

It  most absolutely does mean something. Especially if he is convicted of any of the civil lawsuits. You don’t need choir boys in the NFL, but having the face of your franchise be convicted of sexual misconduct even if it’s just Civil is very weighty. Some of y’all need to stop acting like fanboys and come at this from a business standpoint.

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2 hours ago, BrianS said:

Based on?  He said / she said?  No charges have been filed.  No arrests have been made.

I don't know what if anything Watson is guilty of.  Nor do you.  Nor does our team.

Let me run this scenario by you.  Let's say you're the Texans.  You know Watson wants out.  You want him to stay.  What better way to keep him around than to make him appear to be completely toxic?  We've all been so focused on seeing it from our side, we've failed to see it from the other side.

My scenario protects our team if we trade.  We lose nothing if Watson is suspended.  The Texans gain nothing.  Bear that in mind.  My scenario was a hypothetical scenario where Watson is cleared.

Maybe he is guilty of . . . something?  I dunno.  The fact that no legal charges have been filed is a red flag.  I'm not even sure a REPORT has been filed.  Certainly no legal investigation.

A civil lawsuit is what happens when someone wants something but doesn't actually have a good legal case.  The burden of proof is SUBSTANTIALLY lower in a civil suit.  That's why those cases are typically settled quietly and out of court.

No team knows nothing other than the fact of 16 law suits. I don't care whether you believe him innocent or not. It doesn't matter. 

No franchise with good decision makers at it's lead is going to bring him in until things are settled. Period. 

You're the one that just doesn't get it. 

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9 hours ago, MGH1989 said:

It  most absolutely does mean something. Especially if he is convicted of any of the civil lawsuits. You don’t need choir boys in the NFL, but having the face of your franchise be convicted of sexual misconduct even if it’s just Civil is very weighty. Some of y’all need to stop acting like fanboys and come at this from a business standpoint.

There is no such thing as convictions from civil suits. Either you win a civil suit, or you lose a civil suit, or you settle it without it going to the judge/jury etc. 

I am precisely coming at this from a business standpoint. No one cares about civil cases. If it had any real legs it would be criminal. Civil cases are just people trying to make some money off of rich people. Nothing more, nothing less. 

 

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24 minutes ago, rayzor said:

We better hope there isnt much to all this because he may be our best hope at this point.

 

Even if all this is valid, is it better to have a douche QB and win or a decent guy and suck?

Aaron Rodgers is a douche. So is Brees. Hell, some would argue Cam. There's a HUGE gap between a run of the mill douche and a serial sexual predator. Watson has to clear these allegations up before I'd consider him.

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