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3 minutes ago, Tbe said:

We’re going to pay a ton to keep him.

Who cares. We have one of the best pass rushers in the league,  and in case ya haven't noticed, the Panthers are trying to create more pressure. Without it, we won't win. 

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Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. 

Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

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6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. 

Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

Don't be fooled by the sack stats. Burns has been an absolute game changer on the field for us and has nearly singlehandedly won us some games. He's definitely already great, better than CJ ever was at his peak. Peppers is a top 5-10 all time pass rusher so sure it's not necessarily likely he gets to that level (especially with longevity) but he absolutely has that potential.

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10 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. 

Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

Burns is already a much better football player than Johnson ever was.

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Don't be fooled by the sack stats. Burns has been an absolute game changer on the field for us and has nearly singlehandedly won us some games. He's definitely already great, better than CJ ever was at his peak. Peppers is a top 5-10 all time pass rusher so sure it's not necessarily likely he gets to that level (especially with longevity) but he absolutely has that potential.

Yeah, the pressure stats he generates are bananas. I think with some other pocket collapsing players, he might be a 15+ sack guy.

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7 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. 

Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

He just finished his second year. The fact he’s this productive already is scary. 

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Part of his lack of sacks could be that he doesn't have a Mike Rucker / Charles Johnson on the other side putting in strong reps.  You can't give a QB any "out", because if there is one, good QB's will find it and elude the sack even though you managed pressure.

That said, if Burns actually wants to get paid, he does in fact need the numbers.  For all that I think he's excellent, the league pays for stats.

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6 minutes ago, t96 said:

Don't be fooled by the sack stats. Burns has been an absolute game changer on the field for us and has nearly singlehandedly won us some games. He's definitely already great, better than CJ ever was at his peak. Peppers is a top 5-10 all time pass rusher so sure it's not necessarily likely he gets to that level (especially with longevity) but he absolutely has that potential.

No, I understand pressures are so very important to the overall game and he is getting that. Sacks, however, are the exclamation mark at the end of the sentence and can change the whole tenor of the contest. Sometimes it's just a fraction of a second that makes the difference, the great ones find that fraction of a second or they make the o-lineman give that fraction up themselves.

Good coaching can make that difference, refining technique. I think he can do it, I just wish we were seeing more right away.

And I do think there's a level with Johnson and Rucker that is still something he needs to work toward. Could he be the fourth face on our sack kings Mt. Rushmore with all-time greats Reggie White, Kevin Green and Julius Peppers? That's a mighty high bar, but Spider-Man climbs with the best of them, right?

 

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2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

He just finished his second year. The fact he’s this productive already is scary. 

Yep, but he's got to find that something extra to break through into greatness territory. Right now he's a factor in games, but he isn't something an entire offensive plan has to be built around.

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21 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. 

Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

Wasn't that part of the scheme in the secondary give up what's in front of you and nothing deep. Add in playing off and quick passes when Burns was almost home happened routinely. 

Secondary does a better job at pressing and some of those quick conversion turn into sacks. IMO it's not really a big deal the way he's being game planned for and still producing

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