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Just now, Mage said:

People just be saying stuff sometimes lol

It’s because it doesn’t fit their narrative. They don’t want us drafting a QB because our line sucks. The Chargers did that exact thing and it worked out fine. They will easily find decent linemen in the middle of this draft.

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8 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Herbert walked into a dream situation though - good Oline, throwing to Allen and Henry.

Lynn is a good offensive mind too, I mean most teams got a couple weapons these days....take the panthers for example... He just had the best rookie year in NFL history. Like Mage said his OL was meh, seen 3 games and he was running for his life.......AND still making plays. Check out one of my fav plays form him-

 

Just BIG TIME throws that a rookies doesnt have, Herbert wasnt a rookie.

 

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5 hours ago, ncfan said:

Less rumor, more somethingI heard from someone I know well connected with one of our division rivals.

 

“They’ll be fine if the Panthers go OT at 8.  They just don’t want them to get Chase/Waddle/or Smith.  They don’t won’t to give that staff all the Weapons they’d have and surround Darnold with them.  They can piece together a avg OL with this depth in this class.  But giving Brady/Rhule that.  It makes you a little nervous.”

You just made my day.  While I want a LT I would  be so excited to see Brady get a decent QB and a bunch of weapons.  

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I am going to go out on a limb here because I live on the edge.  A risk taker--man on a mission, etc.  My friends call me, "that guy," if that means anything to you people..........That's what I thought.

  • Jones WILL go to SF at #3.  Book it.
  • The #4 spot, whether it is Atlanta or another team after a trade, could go to a NON QB player.  Sewell or Chase, if a non QB---a trade between Denver (not WFT or NE) and Atlanta is the only way Fields goes at #4.  (That is a pretty bold, specific prediction.  MARK MY WORDS!!!
  • Watch Mond and the Patriots--he could not only sneak into the first round, he could go before Lance.  Everyone is expecting New England to trade up, and they might, but they could move up to Detroit or Dallas and take Mond.
  • Washington will be aggressive and end up with Lance. Maybe with a trade with the Lions or Panthers---

So when the chips start falling and the desperate teams start moving in for a QB, the Panthers' front office is going to look pretty smart.  Imagine that 5 QBs go before the Panthers?  Six? 

Let's take a look at how that could go down--think desperate GM here-Washington, Denver, New England come to mind.

1. Jax Could they take Wilson?  Nah. Lawrence QB

2. Jets Wilson QB

3. Niners--I am still convinced that Jones is their guy.  Jones QB

4. Denver (trade with Atlanta) Fields, QB

5. Cincinnati Sewell or Chase--probably Sewell LT

6. Dolphins Chase WR

7. Lions (Trade with New England) SHOCKER!!! MHS HAS Cahunas!  Mond, QB   

8. WFT (trade with Panthers) Lance, QB

9. Atlanta (from Denver) Pitts TE

10  Cowboys Kwity Paye, DE

11.  giants Surtain CB

12. Eagles Parsons LB

13. Chargers Darrisaw LT

14. Vikings Slater T/G

15. Detroit (from New England--Not sure Waddle lasts this long) Waddle WR

16. Cardinals Horn, CB

17. Raiders Smith WR

18.  Dolphins Barmore DT

19. Panthers, (2021 first, 2021 second, with a 2022 first and second rounder for Pick #8) Caleb Farley, CB

Just a hunch that this could go down.  Marty likes to deal with people he knows, and RR and Snyder will be frothing for a QB...

Panthers have 2 picks in second round.   OT and DT.

 

Tampa Bay may draft Mills, QB Stanford. 

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I am going to go out on a limb here because I live on the edge.  A risk taker--man on a mission, etc.  My friends call me, "that guy," if that means anything to you people..........That's what I thought.

  • Jones WILL go to SF at #3.  Book it.
  • The #4 spot, whether it is Atlanta or another team after a trade, could go to a NON QB player.  Sewell or Chase, if a non QB---a trade between Denver (not WFT or NE) and Atlanta is the only way Fields goes at #4.  (That is a pretty bold, specific prediction.  MARK MY WORDS!!!
  • Watch Mond and the Patriots--he could not only sneak into the first round, he could go before Lance.  Everyone is expecting New England to trade up, and they might, but they could move up to Detroit or Dallas and take Mond.
  • Washington will be aggressive and end up with Lance. Maybe with a trade with the Lions or Panthers---

So when the chips start falling and the desperate teams start moving in for a QB, the Panthers' front office is going to look pretty smart.  Imagine that 5 QBs go before the Panthers?  Six? 

Let's take a look at how that could go down--think desperate GM here-Washington, Denver, New England come to mind.

1. Jax Could they take Wilson?  Nah. Lawrence QB

2. Jets Wilson QB

3. Niners--I am still convinced that Jones is their guy.  Jones QB

4. Denver (trade with Atlanta) Fields, QB

5. Cincinnati Sewell or Chase--probably Sewell LT

6. Dolphins Chase WR

7. Lions (Trade with New England) SHOCKER!!! MHS HAS Cahunas!  Mond, QB   

8. WFT (trade with Panthers) Lance, QB

9. Atlanta (from Denver) Pitts TE

10  Cowboys Kwity Paye, DE

11.  giants Surtain CB

12. Eagles Parsons LB

13. Chargers Darrisaw LT

14. Vikings Slater T/G

15. Detroit (from New England--Not sure Waddle lasts this long) Waddle WR

16. Cardinals Horn, CB

17. Raiders Smith WR

18.  Dolphins Barmore DT

19. Panthers, (2021 first, 2021 second, with a 2022 first and second rounder for Pick #8) Caleb Farley, CB

Just a hunch that this could go down.  Marty likes to deal with people he knows, and RR and Snyder will be frothing for a QB...

Panthers have 2 picks in second round.   OT and DT.

 

Tampa Bay may draft Mills, QB Stanford. 

I like it, but I think I'd see if anyone in the 11-16 group would take the 2022 second I just got from Washington and maybe a 3rd to switch places with me at 19.  I like the guys that went 11-16 a lot more than Farley.

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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I am going to go out on a limb here because I live on the edge.  A risk taker--man on a mission, etc.  My friends call me, "that guy," if that means anything to you people..........That's what I thought.

  • Jones WILL go to SF at #3.  Book it.
  • The #4 spot, whether it is Atlanta or another team after a trade, could go to a NON QB player.  Sewell or Chase, if a non QB---a trade between Denver (not WFT or NE) and Atlanta is the only way Fields goes at #4.  (That is a pretty bold, specific prediction.  MARK MY WORDS!!!
  • Watch Mond and the Patriots--he could not only sneak into the first round, he could go before Lance.  Everyone is expecting New England to trade up, and they might, but they could move up to Detroit or Dallas and take Mond.
  • Washington will be aggressive and end up with Lance. Maybe with a trade with the Lions or Panthers---

So when the chips start falling and the desperate teams start moving in for a QB, the Panthers' front office is going to look pretty smart.  Imagine that 5 QBs go before the Panthers?  Six? 

Let's take a look at how that could go down--think desperate GM here-Washington, Denver, New England come to mind.

1. Jax Could they take Wilson?  Nah. Lawrence QB

2. Jets Wilson QB

3. Niners--I am still convinced that Jones is their guy.  Jones QB

4. Denver (trade with Atlanta) Fields, QB

5. Cincinnati Sewell or Chase--probably Sewell LT

6. Dolphins Chase WR

7. Lions (Trade with New England) SHOCKER!!! MHS HAS Cahunas!  Mond, QB   

8. WFT (trade with Panthers) Lance, QB

9. Atlanta (from Denver) Pitts TE

10  Cowboys Kwity Paye, DE

11.  giants Surtain CB

12. Eagles Parsons LB

13. Chargers Darrisaw LT

14. Vikings Slater T/G

15. Detroit (from New England--Not sure Waddle lasts this long) Waddle WR

16. Cardinals Horn, CB

17. Raiders Smith WR

18.  Dolphins Barmore DT

19. Panthers, (2021 first, 2021 second, with a 2022 first and second rounder for Pick #8) Caleb Farley, CB

Just a hunch that this could go down.  Marty likes to deal with people he knows, and RR and Snyder will be frothing for a QB...

Panthers have 2 picks in second round.   OT and DT.

 

Tampa Bay may draft Mills, QB Stanford. 

Nice.....only thing I change is, since Horn is there ar 16.....Panthers move back up 3 spots to take Horn - best CB in the draft

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8 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Everything points towards Cincinnati taking Chase, which means there's a great chance Sewell is there at 8. But I think there's at least some chance we like Slater better anyways.

Interesting. I could see that. Many "draft experts" have Sewell and Slater graded very close to one another

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