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Round 1 - Carolina Panthers Select CB Jaycee Horn


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22 hours ago, Shocker said:

GTFOH...you said nothing about Horn to us and that you love this makes me nauseous.  Fuggin such a horrible move.  I cant even fuggin believe we sit there and take Horn.

Just because you didn't read it doesn't mean she didn't say it. Which she absolutely did.

 

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20 hours ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Actually we beefed up our secondary to defend against Mike Evans, Michael Turner, Chris Godwin, Calvin Ridley, Julio Jones (if he isn’t traded) and now Kyle Pitts. Rhule said our biggest problem was not getting off the field on 3rd downs. Hopefully Horn gives us a fighting chance back there.

When your offense cant score touchdowns that keeps your defense on the field twice as long. 

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21 hours ago, joemac said:

There are 11 other games on the schedule and you’re foolish if you don’t think Sean Payton doesn’t have a plan for his QB position. 

Yes because all great franchises turned their losing teams around with a first round corner 

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35 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

Yes because all great franchises turned their losing teams around with a first round corner 

Fun fact. 

On average, Horn gave up a TD this year every 7th time he was targeted.  Think Surtain gave up a TD every 24th time he was targeted. 

 

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12 hours ago, CRA said:

Fun fact. 

On average, Horn gave up a TD this year every 7th time he was targeted.  Think Surtain gave up a TD every 24th time he was targeted. 

 

Yes, that definitely means Surtain is better. Thanks for the hard hitting analysis.

I wanted Fields, but Horn is going to be a superstar.

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Can only hope he turns out awesome.  It seems like we thought he fit our scheme better than Surtain.

If we (a) didn't like Slater and (b) They wanted to commit to Darnold over Fields, then he was a clear option.

Ima root for the guy but kinda wished we landed Slater or Fields.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, davos said:

Can only hope he turns out awesome.  It seems like we thought he fit our scheme better than Surtain.

If we (a) didn't like Slater and (b) They wanted to commit to Darnold over Fields, then he was a clear option.

Ima root for the guy but kinda wished we landed Slater or Fields.

 

 

Horn is more Trey Lance.  Surtain is more Mac Jones.   That’s my overall point.   

Horn has the ceiling and talent.  But he wasn’t very consistent and his game needs a lot more work vs the other two DBs.    

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30 minutes ago, CRA said:

Horn is more Trey Lance.  Surtain is more Mac Jones.   That’s my overall point.   

Horn has the ceiling and talent.  But he wasn’t very consistent and his game needs a lot more work vs the other two DBs.    

wasnt consistent? he had the lowest qb completion % of the top CBs last year

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30 minutes ago, Agent Blue said:

wasnt consistent? he had the lowest qb completion % of the top CBs last year

Again; on average, every 7th time you tried him....resulted in a touchdown in 2020.   

Now compare that to the rate of Surtain in 2020 and Farley in 2019.  They gave up a TD on average of every 24th and 25th the time the ball came there way.  In fact, comparing everyone’s final season...Horn gave up more TDs than both Surtain and Farley combined on less targets

That’s a really high rate based on the action he got.    

He likes to maul WRs.  When he can do that....it is tough to to complete passes on him.    It’s why he was the best press man DB in the draft.   Gamecocks couldn’t  do that with him all game....just like we can’t.   That’s where the inconsistency is....when he can’t go man coverage and get up on a body.    

just because Trey Lance has stuff to work on doesn’t mean it won’t get it done.  Same with Horn.    I wouldn’t of wanted Lance at 8.  Same reasons.

But if you take a guy at 8....it’s only far to talk about his complete game and what we want to see him improve on.  I’m sure he will.  Uber talented.  DNA you want.   But I don’t think it is fair to him with all this talk he is going to step on the field and be Luke level ready as a rookie day 1 and have that impact.  DB is much harder.  



 

 

 

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

Again; on average, every 7th time you tried him....resulted in a touchdown in 2020.   

Now compare that to the rate of Surtain in 2020 and Farley in 2019.  They gave up a TD on average of every 24th and 25th the time the ball came there way.  In fact, comparing everyone’s final season...Horn gave up more TDs than both Surtain and Farley combined on less targets

That’s a really high rate based on the action he got.    

He likes to maul WRs.  When he can do that....it is tough to to complete passes on him.    It’s why he was the best press man DB in the draft.   Gamecocks couldn’t  do that with him all game....just like we can’t.   That’s where the inconsistency is....when he can’t go man coverage and get up on a body.    

just because Trey Lance has stuff to work on doesn’t mean it won’t get it done.  Same with Horn.    I wouldn’t of wanted Lance at 8.  Same reasons.

But if you take a guy at 8....it’s only far to talk about his complete game and what we want to see him improve on.  I’m sure he will.  Uber talented.  DNA you want.   But I don’t think it is fair to him with all this talk he is going to step on the field and be Luke level ready as a rookie day 1 and have that impact.  DB is much harder.  



 

 

 

Teams also targeted Horn way, way less than the other two

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1 hour ago, amcoolio said:

Teams also targeted Horn way, way less than the other two

This. Surtain and Farley had a much bigger sample size because teams weren’t as afraid to throw at them. They’re both really good, but I want the guy that makes the OC and QB look for other options. I believe we got that. 

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