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Carolina not done in the first

chknwing

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32 minutes ago, Lemon said:

They're not going to trade up in the first. They're all too chicken poo.

The front office are scared. Fitt, Tepper, Rhule are all trying to play the safest they can. It's why Horn was the pick. It's someone they evaluated to the point they knew what they were getting, and stuck with. It's a lot like Dave Gettleman's time in Carolina where he fell in love with certain prospects and made sure he stuck with them, telegraphing it the entire way.

If they trade up it's going to be mid 2nd and 3rd round for a prospect they're afraid won't be there, just like Dave Gettleman, unfortunately.

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20 hours ago, Lemon said:

They're not going to trade up in the first. They're all too chicken poo.

The front office are scared. Fitt, Tepper, Rhule are all trying to play the safest they can. It's why Horn was the pick. It's someone they evaluated to the point they knew what they were getting, and stuck with. It's a lot like Dave Gettleman's time in Carolina where he fell in love with certain prospects and made sure he stuck with them, telegraphing it the entire way.

If they trade up it's going to be mid 2nd and 3rd round for a prospect they're afraid won't be there, just like Dave Gettleman, unfortunately.

OK so they had Horn the #1 CB on their board.  A shut down, press, man-coverage CB who is as good in Zone as he is on an island.  Last year, teams completed 71% of their passes against us outside the numbers.  The team did not get off the field on 3rd down HALF of the times.  We were ranked 31 of 32.  Colleges had a 30% completion rate against Horn--think about that.

There are no CB1s available in free agency.  There are no CB1s available after picks 1-20. 

He was the #1 player on their board at #8 for that reason.

What part of picking that player means "scared" to you?  I seriously doubt a second QB or Slater would have been able to cover Thomas, Jones, or Evans.  I seriously doubt they would see the field much if the defense can't get off the field.  It was the ONLY move they should have made--and yes, they wanted Fields and Slater--Tepper wanted Fields badly---what argument do you think they used to convince the owner to sit back and let them take Horn?  The one I just provided.

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9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

OK so they had Horn the #1 CB on their board.  A shut down, press, man-coverage CB who is as good in Zone as he is on an island.  Last year, teams completed 71% of their passes against us outside the numbers.  The team did not get off the field on 3rd down HALF of the times.  We were ranked 31 of 32.  Colleges had a 30% completion rate against Horn--think about that.

There are no CB1s available in free agency.  There are no CB1s available after picks 1-20. 

He was the #1 player on their board at #8 for that reason.

What part of picking that player means "scared" to you?  I seriously doubt a second QB or Slater would have been able to cover Thomas, Jones, or Evans.  I seriously doubt they would see the field much if the defense can't get off the field.  It was the ONLY move they should have made--and yes, they wanted Fields and Slater--Tepper wanted Fields badly---what argument do you think they used to convince the owner to sit back and let them take Horn?  The one I just provided.

Telling the owner they like Horn more than his care is being "scared" these days, eh? Lol some of these posters man. It really does my head in. 

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4 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

lol at 2 picks equating to "Mortgaging our future". You sure go all in against Sam.

It's a lot less about the picks and a lot more about foregoing the opportunity to pursue a potential legit franchise QB prospect due to Darnold being here. And for the record for clarification, it's three picks.

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20 hours ago, Lemon said:

Realistic.

Panthers are a two time Super Bowl loser and 3 in row losing season team for a reason.

 

 lol...You do realize that all but last year is on the previous regime? By all means, don't let a little thing like facts ruin your spiel. 

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18 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

OK so they had Horn the #1 CB on their board.  A shut down, press, man-coverage CB who is as good in Zone as he is on an island.  Last year, teams completed 71% of their passes against us outside the numbers.  The team did not get off the field on 3rd down HALF of the times.  We were ranked 31 of 32.  Colleges had a 30% completion rate against Horn--think about that.

There are no CB1s available in free agency.  There are no CB1s available after picks 1-20. 

He was the #1 player on their board at #8 for that reason.

What part of picking that player means "scared" to you?  I seriously doubt a second QB or Slater would have been able to cover Thomas, Jones, or Evans.  I seriously doubt they would see the field much if the defense can't get off the field.  It was the ONLY move they should have made--and yes, they wanted Fields and Slater--Tepper wanted Fields badly---what argument do you think they used to convince the owner to sit back and let them take Horn?  The one I just provided.

yeah, nothing about picking Horn at #8 says the Panthers org is scared and trying to pick the safest players possible.  

The safest pick wasn’t Horn at #8.  It was a somewhat bold move.   There were safer players at 8.   Probably could argue Surtain was the safest DB. Horn probably the highest ceiling of the DBs. 

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2 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 lol...You do realize that all but last year is on the previous regime? By all means, don't let a little thing like facts ruin your spiel. 

To be honest, our best season by far under Tepper was his first which was still with all of JR's football people in place. Still waiting to see this big impact he's going to have on the football side of the operation because so far I can't say that I'm impressed.

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1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

He is so overdramatic. It's hilarious.

You're always confident to the point of arrogance with the moves made by a team with an overall losing record. Our record under Tepper is considerably worse than the overall record. It might be time to come to grips with your delusion.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's a lot less about the picks and a lot more about foregoing the opportunity to pursue a potential legit franchise QB prospect due to Darnold being here.

 

How on earth are 2 later round picks going to prevent us from acquiring a franchise QB? And what has that have to do with "Mortgaging our future"?

 

We get it. Once again, the Panthers have broken your heart where it comes to QB. But let's not go overboard trying to make it worse than it actually is.

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