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1 hour ago, frankw said:

Not trying to single you out in this but speaking in general it is tiring how folks will dump on one player and prop up others. Even if DJ Moore isn't elite he is quite good. Just because the Panthers have given #22 the most touches in the whole damn league so he could get his 1k/1k season doesn't mean Moore isn't being held back by poor passing. If we can actually get the ball to him who knows what his ceiling is.

Saying he’s not elite is not dumping on someone like you just did. CMC did something only two other RBs have done (each only once) I’m NFL history, yet you are actually trying to insinuate that he did it only because he had a lot of touches. Pretty much every analyst would say CMC is elite and many would say he’s the best RB, period. DJ isn’t thought of the same way, doesn’t mean we aren’t ecstatic to have him on the Panthers and it doesn’t mean he won’t achieve that level with a better QB. All that said, you are the only person dumping on anyone which is ironic given that’s what you said you don’t like.

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Elite is a subjective term

Is it top 3, top 5, top 10% at their position.

Is CMC top 5 at his position?  I would say yes.

Is Moton top 5 at this position? I would say yes.

Is Burns top 5?  Maybe, maybe not but there are usually two edge rushers on the field at a time so maybe top 10 should be the threshold.

Same with WRs, there are 64 starting ones, and more if you count slot.  Is Moore top 10?  Lets be honest there are a lot of good WRs in the league right now.

Maybe its not as easy as a set number threshold but a performance threshold.  Are there alot of WRs that play at elite levels.

Personally I think people get too caught up into ranks, I try to keep it simple.

Moton is a top tier RT and he got paid as such.

CMC is a top tier RB and got paid as such.

Moore is a top tier WR, imo, and will get paid as much.

Burns is a top tier edge and will get paid as much.

After that they guys aren't top tier or still unproven.

Will Brown and Chinn develop into that?  I hope so, they showed some good signs their first year.

Most teams only have a handful of elite guys and honestly the way the cap is structured you can only pay a few and honestly QBs, even average ones teak up one of the expensive slots.

Paying elite players elite money doesn't hurt you, most of the time you don't have enough elite players to really cost you too much.  Teams get in trouble when they pay average players elite money, or below average players good money.

We paid CMC a few years ago.

Paid Shaq a decent amount.

Paid Moton this year.

Probably Moore next.

Burns after that.

After that you will probably have someone like Brown or Chinn, at that point one of the earlier guys will be off the books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

Get a Pro Bowl or All Pro.

Moton has had neither and yet no one in this thread has seemed to object to him as an “elite” player. So perhaps it’s a bit more nuanced than that.

I like how Huddlers on the one hand blast Teddy Bridgewater for his conservative style, how he routinely failed to even attempt to throw the ball in the end zone, has never had more than 15 TDs a season, etc. and then criticize DJ for his lack of TDs as if one has no bearing on the other. And then to previously criticize Teddy, they constantly talk about how DJ had to routinely adjust and contort his body to make miraculous catches and that’s the only reason Teddy even had respectable passing yardage. But when it comes to whether DJ is elite? Psh…nah none of that matters, only what that TD number says on the stat sheet.
 

I truly don’t understand the selective nuance that is applied on the Huddle. There’s no rhyme or reason to it.

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The secret to keeping your core is not paying them, it is hitting in the draft.  For example, if you can get 2 starters each year, and 2 players develop into starters after the first year, then you always should have about 10-12 starters on rookie deals.  If half your staring roster is on a rookie deal, the other half is much easier to manage.  I would estimate that of the 11 or so players on second or third contracts, only about 5 should be on elite-level contracts.  In our case, that will be (2022's crystal ball):

  • CMC
  • Darnold (hopefully)
  • Moton
  • Burns
  • Moore

That is a bit offensive (pun), but we have a young defense. Some players will be ending big deals and should be shown the door as well--tough calls to make--Shaq comes to mind.  However, do not forget that we still have some big dead money debt.

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34 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Saying he’s not elite is not dumping on someone like you just did. CMC did something only two other RBs have done (each only once) I’m NFL history, yet you are actually trying to insinuate that he did it only because he had a lot of touches. Pretty much every analyst would say CMC is elite and many would say he’s the best RB, period. DJ isn’t thought of the same way, doesn’t mean we aren’t ecstatic to have him on the Panthers and it doesn’t mean he won’t achieve that level with a better QB. All that said, you are the only person dumping on anyone which is ironic given that’s what you said you don’t like.

CMC fanboys are the new Cam stans. My guy you can sit around lusting over your boys individual accolades but that poo ain't getting us out of the basement no matter how many touches we give him. The best offenses in the league have a dynamic duo of qb and receiver. Sam and DJ (hell Robby too) need to form a solid bond and I think bright things could be ahead despite how much folks like yourself want to make it about one player instead of the team.

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7 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

"Elite" in the NFL is defined by top 5%...

...or put another way, top-2.

CMC is only one even sniffing it...

Too many variables. So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes? This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite? One was just the MVP of the league…

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3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes?

Yes.

One or both of them have been in every one of the last 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them.

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite?

Correct.

Neither has appeared in a Super Bowl since before President Trump was elected.

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4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Too many variables. So the elite QBs are Brady and Mahomes? This makes Russ and Rodgers not elite? One was just the MVP of the league…

Elite is just an awful measuring stick.  It's a very subjective word.  Pro Bowler, league MVP, DPOY/OPOY....to me those are the elite players.  The ones out there winning accolades for their play.

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1 hour ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Yes.

One or both of them have been in every one of the last 5 Super Bowls and won 4 of them.

Correct.

Neither has appeared in a Super Bowl since before President Trump was elected.

So the league MVP isn’t elite. Got it. Super Bowl appearances are what makes them elite? So would Henry not be an elite RB since his team never made the Super Bowl?

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1 hour ago, Luciu5 said:

Elite is just an awful measuring stick.  It's a very subjective word.  Pro Bowler, league MVP, DPOY/OPOY....to me those are the elite players.  The ones out there winning accolades for their play.

I think I agree with this much more than the top 2 at their position.

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