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2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The Jags OL and supporting cast really hasn’t been as bad as some think, way better than Darnold had. That’s why I sort of chuckled when some in here think Wilson’s got an easier path than Lawrence. Wilson’s dealing with a fairly empty cupboard unless every pick they made shines. Lawrence has a decent OL, Robinson/Etienne and Marvin Jones/Shenault/Chark. We need to give Darnold a year with an immensely better cast to see what’s what.

Agreed wholeheartedly. 

Minshew, from an offensive standpoint, was in a far superior situation than Darnold ever was. Wilson's supporting cast is suspect at best and I think he will experience some growing pains becuase of it (I am personally VERY high on Wilson as a prospect though).

Darnold really is an unknown at this point. I think Minshew is a more known commodity which is why I wanted him. That and the meme potential. 

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know about that. If Darnold flops while Fields and/or Jones have success, this staff might be on thinner ice than we think. I'd be willing to bet they'd be on their last swing at QB. If their next one fails while we're still struggling in the W-L column Tepper would probably be wise to move on.

 

Let's examine what was actually said. "If Darnold doesn't pan out this coaching staff might not even be around to try to find the next QB." 

Boom, gone. Just like that. 

 

You say they  are on thin ice. Which is not the same. Then add, or probably need to move on. Which is the same. So which way are you leaning?

 

This team was bereft of talent just two short years ago. We now have a nice core of young talent. But yeah, let's jettison the Coach after two years. All because a few (I say few, because there are very few) fans are not happy with how the QB position has worked out.

 

IMO, When this team has improved so dramatically. It is silly to even hold forth the idea we would drop a Coach after two years.  

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8 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Agreed wholeheartedly. 

Minshew, from an offensive standpoint, was in a far superior situation than Darnold ever was. Wilson's supporting cast is suspect at best and I think he will experience some growing pains becuase of it (I am personally VERY high on Wilson as a prospect though).

Darnold really is an unknown at this point. I think Minshew is a more known commodity which is why I wanted him. That and the meme potential. 

Minshew had a decent season last year stats wise, but you have to wonder how much was just garbage time. He started hot against Indy and Tennessee but really cooled off until his last game but they lost 40-14, so was Baltimore just in prevent? 1-8 as a starter makes you wonder. Losing by 18 to Miami, 16 to Houston, 26 to Baltimore, 18 to Detroit, 21 to Tennessee, 8 to Cincy and 10 to the Chargers we’re his last 7 games.

I thought Minshew would be a decent add but he really didn’t get any play in the off-season and he did get benched mid-season for Mike Glennon who put up numbers just a bit worse than Minshew. Glennon’s not starting anywhere else.

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24 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

if you know someone who invented time travel, please hook us up 

Early 30's QB becoming healthy again .. who would need time travel to see odds were Cam was going to find "it" again .. who bets against Cam

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56 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I had to do a double check on the op. 

I swore is was aceboogie who started this poo storm, and have Waldo squating on me. 

Possible Alt?

Doesn't matter, got off me, your weak minded people. 

He's been here 5 years with >3k posts.  

I've noticed @Waldopie-ing anti Darnold posts.  He hasn't posted since April.

Those posts seem to indicate he wanted Fields and LT rounds 1 and 2 or maybe OL in both rounds.

I don't think he's happy with  Fit, Rhule and Darnold atm.

 

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6 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

His first camp?? The man been in the league for 3 years already. Blame the Jets all you want, like we’re some first class organization that has a history of building around QBs LOL. 

Don’t be mad at me ability to see the storm before the rain hits my head. 

It takes no insight to predict failure given he hasn't been successful while playing for the Jets.  It takes a lot more insight and effort to evaluate the differences in his situation and predict potential or qualified  success.  If you are wrong and the team is doing well you can always point out anything that Darnold does wrong.  If he sucks then you can post ad nauseum about how right you are and how you could read the tea leaves. So you can get off your high horse and stop acting as if you know something no one else does. You are just taking the safe easy position which takes no effort or insight at all.

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47 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

i certainly hope our GM, HC, and scouts don’t look at draft position when evaluating free agents or possible trades. that’s fanboy material, nothing more.

You sure about that? High pick busts almost always get a second shot somewhere else. Similarly performing low round picks often get bounced out of the league for similar play.

The same thing happens in the "real world". If you have a top 10 MBA, you're going to have to get fired from several firms before you stop getting jobs you aren't cut out for. 

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Signing Darnold and passing up on fields had the potential to be the first dominoes in the sequence that gets Rhule fired after year three. 
 

I hope Sam succeeds. I just have zero confidence in it. 

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1 hour ago, Mother Grabber said:

i certainly hope our GM, HC, and scouts don’t look at draft position when evaluating free agents or possible trades. that’s fanboy material, nothing more.

The bias is real, GMs, HCs, scouts or not. Not trying to go to deep here, but human psychology and discrimination based on all types of biases are a real thing! Honestly, pertaining to the NFL, it likely takes place every draft season, much less free agency. I'd like to think that Rhule and company are more intellectual and analytical about scouting than your average fans--and, maybe they are--but that's anything but a certainty.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know about that. If Darnold flops while Fields and/or Jones have success, this staff might be on thinner ice than we think. I'd be willing to bet they'd be on their last swing at QB. If their next one fails while we're still struggling in the W-L column Tepper would probably be wise to move on.

You know this is a common theme here, that Tepper will be quick to move on from Rhule, when so far, he's shown a lot of patience with staff.   He kept RR and Hurney much longer than many of us anticipated.

Rhule's been here one year and we had the same record without CMC, Luke and Bradberry, losing 8 games by score.  By most account's he's overperformed.  Not to mention 60 of 70 mill contract is guaranteed.

Do you really think Tepper is going fire Rhule so quickly?

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6 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

You know this is a common theme here, that Tepper will be quick to move on from Rhule, when so far, he's shown a lot of patience with staff.   He kept RR and Hurney much longer than many of us anticipated.

Rhule's been here one year and we had the same record without CMC, Luke and Bradberry, losing 8 games by score.  By most account's he's overperformed.  Not to mention 60 of 70 mill contract is guaranteed.

Do you really think Tepper is going fire Rhule so quickly?

Tepper is still relatively new, but he becomes a more seasoned owner as time passes. Minority ownership in the Steelers or not, he was a greenhorn trying to catch his breath. He has a better handle on things now, and has a clearer vision and plan going forward. "Quickly" is relative, but I'll say that if there's not clearly discernible improvement this season and playoffs in 2022-2023, then Rhule's seat should go from warm to hot. And by 2024 it should be scalding, if not melted away. I think that Tepper is patient, but not to a fault. He's a man of high expectations and results.

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52 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

You know this is a common theme here, that Tepper will be quick to move on from Rhule, when so far, he's shown a lot of patience with staff.   He kept RR and Hurney much longer than many of us anticipated.

Rhule's been here one year and we had the same record without CMC, Luke and Bradberry, losing 8 games by score.  By most account's he's overperformed.  Not to mention 60 of 70 mill contract is guaranteed.

Do you really think Tepper is going fire Rhule so quickly?

If Rhule swings and whiffs on three QBs, he's probably gone. Listen to what Tepper says. You have to have a coach, GM, and QB. If the first two can't find that third piece, then you probably don't have the right guys in place in those spots either.

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