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Texans now indicate Deshaun Watson is available for trade

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

If a team terminates a contract, the player still gets paid.

Nope. Most fans don't understand this concept. That guaranteed bonus money is already paid out. The only new money a player gets is from being on the roster. Just because the bonus money is prorated across the length of the contract and hits the cap in future years doesn't mean that's when it's actually paid out. Salary, roster bonuses, workout bonuses, escalators, etc. are not paid out if/when the player is released. Signing bonus is the only thing that matters and that was paid out upon signing.

 

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nope. Most fans don't understand this concept. That guaranteed bonus money is already paid out. The only new money a player gets is from being on the roster. Just because the bonus money is prorated across the length of the contract and hits the cap in future years doesn't mean that's when it's actually paid out. Salary, roster bonuses, workout bonuses, escalators, etc. are not paid out if/when the player is released. Signing bonus is the only thing that matters and that was paid out upon signing.

 

It is an over-simplification, but the easiest way to explain it is NFL contracts are like a series of one-year contracts, with the signing bonus attached to the front end of year one, almost as soon as the ink on the contract dries.

People confuse the salary cap mechanics and the contract transactions. 

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Just now, Sgt Schultz said:

It is an over-simplification, but the easiest way to explain it is NFL contracts are like a series of one-year contracts, with the signing bonus attached to the front end of year one, almost as soon as the ink on the contract dries.

People confuse the salary cap mechanics and the contract transactions. 

Yep. Basically. Like you said, it's an oversimplification, but it's the basic gist of it.

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14 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Philly, Miami and Carolina? 

I don't buy us being in on it at this point. 

Speculation is probably based on the whole "David Tepper will pay any price" thing which turned out to be garbage.

Tepper supposedly wanted Justin Fields too but here we are. 

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't buy us being in on it at this point. 

Speculation is probably based on the whole "David Tepper will pay any price" thing which turned out to be garbage.

Tepper supposedly wanted Justin Fields too but here we are. 

Literally every report about a possible trade has us included in the 2 or 3 teams who have actively inquired about it recently.....so IDK about all that.

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35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nope. Most fans don't understand this concept. That guaranteed bonus money is already paid out. The only new money a player gets is from being on the roster. Just because the bonus money is prorated across the length of the contract and hits the cap in future years doesn't mean that's when it's actually paid out. Salary, roster bonuses, workout bonuses, escalators, etc. are not paid out if/when the player is released. Signing bonus is the only thing that matters and that was paid out upon signing.

 

Exactly as agreed to by the player, his agent, and his lawyer.  

What else do you want?

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2 minutes ago, joemac said:

Literally every report about a possible trade has us included in the 2 or 3 teams who have actively inquired about it recently.....so IDK about all that.

It's been unreliable sources pointing to teams with either a question mark at QB, draft capitol to make the trade, or both. 

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1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Exactly as agreed to by the player, his agent, and his lawyer.  

What else do you want?

An acknowledgement that the only avenue a player has is to utilize whatever leverage he may hold. The team will always hold the leverage of being able to terminate the contract. Barking to the media, threatening to hold out, actually holding out, up and retiring like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. That's the only real leverage a player holds yet you act like they've committed this grave dishonor by actually utilizing any of that leverage.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What are the sources on those reports? Anything credible?

Not being an ass, legit question.

All speculation except for a couple of sources that claim we've called while more reliable sources like Rapoport say nobody's called. 

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1 hour ago, travisura said:

This feels like an over simplified child-like view. This is completely discounting the aspect of power imbalance and implicit coercion.

Players have agents and lawyers to balance the power and eliminate coercion.  

If you're offered a bad contract, don't sign it.  

If you sign it, be prepared to fulfill you end, if you want to be paid.  

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47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nope. Most fans don't understand this concept. That guaranteed bonus money is already paid out. The only new money a player gets is from being on the roster. Just because the bonus money is prorated across the length of the contract and hits the cap in future years doesn't mean that's when it's actually paid out. Salary, roster bonuses, workout bonuses, escalators, etc. are not paid out if/when the player is released. Signing bonus is the only thing that matters and that was paid out upon signing.

 

Yep, just an accounting trick make it easier to stomach that big lump sum.

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