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Sam Darnold press conference after Philidelphia game

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13 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Most of us expected days like this during his development. So, let's not panic toooo much and see how he responds moving forward.

Oh yeah and let's try literally anyone else on the interior OL.

I agree.  And I also have seen Brady, Montana, Rogers,  Brees have bad games in a season, not saying Sam is that.  However, Sam was bad, so was the oline, special team and play calling at times...

Let see how we bounce back against the vikings

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10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, the OL has sucked but you can't overlook the reality that Darnold's worst play has come when he's actually had time. Pressure isn't causing the INTs. Darnold making poor reads and throwing it to defenders is causing the INTs. When he has time to actually think that's when he's at his worse.

He's seeing ghosts and rightfully so. Our interior oline is atrocious. 43% of snaps under pressure is ridiculous. When things are constantly going wrong its hard to settle down on the occasions when it does go right. Just about every other snap he knew was going to go badly. I guarantee that's in his head right now. He's playing jumpy and anxious and with damn good reason. He has to get better when he has time. He has to stop forcing the pass and staring down his receiver. He's got stuff he has to fix. 

If we don't so something with the interior of this line there is going to be no fixing that. And if we do draft a new QB and it's more of the same, we're going to ruin that QB too. It's time for some changes and Miller and Daley should be at the top of that list. I'd include Paradis but there's nobody available to replace him that isn't potentially worse or would have to be signed from another team's PS. The Patriots do have a center on theirs that looked good during preseason but that's 3 games on the active roster for a flyer. 

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

He's seeing ghosts and rightfully so. Our interior oline is atrocious. 43% of snaps under pressure is ridiculous. When things are constantly going wrong its hard to settle down on the occasions when it does go right. Just about every other snap he knew was going to go badly. I guarantee that's in his head right now. He's playing jumpy and anxious and with damn good reason. He has to get better when he has time. He has to stop forcing the pass and staring down his receiver. He's got stuff he has to fix. 

If we don't so something with the interior of this line there is going to be no fixing that. And if we do draft a new QB and it's more of the same, we're going to ruin that QB too. It's time for some changes and Miller and Daley should be at the top of that list. I'd include Paradis but there's nobody available to replace him that isn't potentially worse or would have to be signed from another team's PS. The Patriots do have a center on theirs that looked good during preseason but that's 3 games on the active roster for a flyer. 

This^ 

The oline situation has to be fixed and the game plan has to drastically improve first and foremost.  Then you can figure what you need from your signal caller.  If it's the qb then the coach has some explaining to do.

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2 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

You know I totally forgot that one play makes a whole game.  

I'm trying to make sense of your stance knowing we have seven winning seasons in 25 years and I'm reminded this is the same lot that loved them some Kyle Allen so I guess this is just par for the course. Hey ya'll we're just happy to be here.

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15 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The Patriots do have a center on theirs that looked good during preseason but that's 3 games on the active roster for a flyer. 

You can’t care about something like that when the line is playing this bad. Didn’t stop us with the kicking situation. You also need a backup center on game days so it’s not really taking up a roster spot.

They should literally be trying anything other than what’s been on the field so far.

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10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yes, the OL has sucked but you can't overlook the reality that Darnold's worst play has come when he's actually had time. Pressure isn't causing the INTs. Darnold making poor reads and throwing it to defenders is causing the INTs. When he has time to actually think that's when he's at his worse.

He was pressured on literally 50% of his dropbacks.  You cant gauge anything about his play from that.  If he is getting pressured on literally half of his dropbacks then he is going to feel pressure and push on every drop back.  50% pressure rate and right up the middle most of the time is going to ruin any qb.

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18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

This^ 

The oline situation has to be fixed and the game plan has to drastically improve first and foremost.  Then you can figure what you need from your signal caller.  If it's the qb then the coach has some explaining to do.

Exactly.  Darnold definitely has to play better but the biggest grade you can give him is an incomplete.   Any qb that you put back there that is getting pressured on literally 50% of their drop backs and most of those being from the interior in their face, is going to struggle.  We have no idea what we have in Darnold or any qb we plug back there until that is fixed.

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Some huddlers got exactly what they wanted.

No Erving. No Elflein.  Moton at LT  BC at RT

And it resulted in 47% pressure rate and 4 pass rushers with  6+ pressures, only the second team to do so over the last four seasons.

Our best OL performance was probably the Saints game with a long pocket time and time to throw, and pressure rate much lower than the last 3 games. 

Until Moton and BC get up to speed in their new positions and until Elflein is healthy (Daley has been horrible), we are going to see what we saw yesterday.

So do we stick with Moton at LT and BC at RT?  In theory they should get better, but we are going to take a bunch of lumps in the meantime.






 

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