Sam Howell

[LinvilleGorge]

33 minutes ago, BrianS said:

The problem with Howell, or Pickett, or Corral isn't the player.  It's our own draft position.  Where we are picking this year is a place where you'd normally expect to get a CLEAR franchise guy.  All of these guys have little question marks.  But where we pick is not their problem.

I think that it's highly likely that whomever we pick at 6 is going to be viewed as a reach by some, and they may not be wrong.  The draft this year isn't always great in those places where we would ideally like it to be.  I think we are going to regret not taking a QB last year.

But this year, we need to fix the offense.  It will be criminal if we don't.  Free agency will tell us a lot about what we're thinking.

Clear franchise guys are never available at #6. They go at the very top of the draft.

[J.B.]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Clear franchise guys are never available at #6. They go at the very top of the draft.

And even those ALWAYS have little question marks.

Look at the QBs picked in the #1 spot over the last decade…..

lawrence, burrow, Murray, mayfield, Goff, Winston, Luck, Newton

How many didn’t have question marks?

[ForJimmy]

7 minutes ago, J.B. said:

And even those ALWAYS have little question marks.

Look at the QBs picked in the #1 spot over the last decade…..

lawrence, burrow, Murray, mayfield, Goff, Winston, Luck, Newton

How many didn’t have question marks?

Exactly. Drafting a QB is tough and there aren’t many “sure things.” I think Luck and Lawrence (who struggled as a rookie) where the two with the least amount of flaws I’ve seen in a while. Top guys like Allen and Mahomes weren’t even the top ones drafted in their class. We need to draft one we like and try developing him eventually. There are plenty of options in this class, but our staff sucks at developing players… 

[Aussie Tank]

This class is full of Jimmy Clausen’s  

[ForJimmy]

42 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

I'm a UNC fan I think Howell will be worse than Sam Darnold. 

Now you are just being dramatic for theatrics… Does he get uncomfortable under pressure? You mean like Brady, Rodgers, and most QBs in the league. Is he short like Brees, Russ, Rodgers, Murray or the upcoming QB everyone loves Young? See I can do it too… 

[Catsfan69]

28 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Now you are just being dramatic for theatrics… Does he get uncomfortable under pressure? You mean like Brady, Rodgers, and most QBs in the league. Is he short like Brees, Russ, Rodgers, Murray or the upcoming QB everyone loves Young? See I can do it too… 

He is an overrated manlet.

[LinvilleGorge]

32 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

He is an overrated manlet.

"UNC fan"

[T-Wazzle]

Not @ 6.   And I am a Heels fan.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

5 hours ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

Not a Heels fan, but I’ve watched Howell play a good bit. If he doesn’t learn to slide in the NFL, he won’t make it a year. 
 

I think he’s good, not great. I wouldn’t draft him at 6, but I’d wouldn’t hate it if we traded back and picked him. 

If he plays for us he will need to patent a pocket slide otherwise I say he's ruined before the bye week.

[Shocker]

4 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Take the UNC homer blinders off. If this draft class didn’t suck when it comes to QB talent, Howell would be getting a 3rd round grade. If he has a great combine and pro day he could push himself up into the second round. Can’t see him as a first rounder unless a team gets desperate.

Russell Wilson was a great college QB and checked all the boxes but dropped all the way to the 3rd round because of his size. Howell isn’t that much bigger.

This just isn’t close to true.  Wilson was a decent college QB.  Hence he went later in the draft.  If you don’t like Howell fine but he would not have a 3rd round grade and if he did his career will probably turn out much like Wilsons in the right situation.

Howell can play and at this time has so many things he can improve upon.  He makes some throws that he makes look really easy that most QBs can’t do

Edited January 27, 2022 by Shocker

[Shocker]

Let me be a critic of Sam Howell for a min.  He has some serious things to work on here.  He tends to drift from the pocket and into pressure from time to time. He has good pocket awareness but needs work there.  He also has a tendency to bail out of a clean pocket.  The UNC OL was atrocious so that is a problem but understandable.  He doesn’t have a rocket arm.  Good arm strength not great.  Not a great athlete either.  The UNC system did allow him to hit the first read quite a bit but he is underrated finding second and third options.  Average size to oversee a defense especially under pressure.  Will probably see balls batted down more than some QBs.  His team especially last season tended to play from behind a lot.  Good and bad here as he does tend to force things trying to do too much.  Just a fact.  Level of competition is questionable to some degree.  He does have some sandlot type tendencies where he just tosses passes up for grabs instead of protecting the ball.  Needs to fix this.

All these things are a symptom of a bad OL and terrible defense that puts him in bad situations but he needs work nonetheless 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Shocker

[mc52beast]

Really not interested in taking any qb’s this year. Either get your franchise LT at 6 or let Brady have it, trade down and get the center out of Iowa.

[Shocker]

Now his positives…a flat out leader of the offense.  Takes it upon himself to lead a team from behind even facing big deficits.  Is mobile in the pocket.  Can slide and maneuver through a collapsing pocket like a pro.  He made many difficult throws with pressure all around him.  A gym rat that lives and breathes football.  Plays his game regardless of the talent surrounding him.  Meaning he is a playmaker that distributes the ball to playmakers.  Can make multiple reads and find the best option quickly.  Limited wind up on his throws.  Has some of the most catchable, beautiful deep ball throws even with pressure.  Will sacrifice his well being to make a play.  Has been an unquestionable offensive weapon from day one on campus at UNC.  Lots pf growing and refinement room.  Has a very even, relaxed personality.  Mistakes quickly forgotten and moves to the next play easily.  Never rattled.  Like never.  Tough player who can take punishment.  And lastly…his leadership and character were flat out givens at UNC.  Mack Brown raved about this guy’s character.  Egoless to a fault

Edited January 27, 2022 by Shocker

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

So many Heels haters in this thread. Y’all mad at the flagship school in NC