Running QBs don’t win Superb Owls

[Lets go get it Canes]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've long put it this way...

Quarterbacks who can run and pass are gold.

Quarterbacks who can pass are silver.

Quarterbacks who can run but can't pass are fool's gold

So by your logic Tom Brady is silver? Dumb

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, NCTHFL0567 said:

That's fair. I try to look at stats on occasion to determine if a QB is a rushing QB or not. That's why I view Rodgers as more of a pocket passer. 

Rodgers isn't exactly a statue athletically speaking, but you don't really see him run all that much anymore.

I think he might have been more willing to do it when he was younger, but again he's such a great passer he rarely needs to.

[unicar15]

What even is a “running QB” anymore? I mean we’re not looking at QBs from Navy…

 

I would say if you’re not at least a mobile QB you’re not an elite prospect.

[NCTHFL0567]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rodgers isn't exactly a statue athletically speaking, but you don't really see him run all that much anymore.

I think he might have been more willing to do it when he was younger, but again he's such a great passer he rarely needs to.

Agreed. 

[ForJimmy]

Such a dumb argument. Hill, RG3, The Golden Calf of Bristol are all busts that never made it as QBs in the NFL. Hill isn’t even a QB honestly… Should I make pocket QBs who have busted? Your list is just Cam, Lamar, Vick, and Murray. If you think Cam’s running ability is why we lost the Super Bowl you weren’t watching the game. Vick wasn’t developed by the Falcons leading to injuries and then the off fields issues messed his career up. Andy Reid coached him up in Philadelphia, but it was later in his career.

Running QBs can be developed into Josh Allen, Steve Young, Elway, Rodgers type players than can beat you in the pocket or make you pay with their legs. The problem is teams seem hesitant to beef up the OL when they have QBs that can run like the Cards, Panthers with Cam, and Falcons. You have to build a team around any QB to win it all. The Bills are doing it right and will have as good a chance as anyone to win it all with a QB who can run and has running plays drawn up for him.

[SetfreexX]

1 hour ago, Lets go get it Canes said:

In 52 Super Bowls, maybe maybe one if you count Wilson but he Scrambles to make a good throw like Mahomes. Steve Young, same thing. Lamar, Vick, Cam, The Golden Calf of Bristol, RGknee, Murray, Tasum Hill, on and on.  
 

Accurate pocket passers that trust their line, make great throws, move around so they avoid hits/sacks. 
 

That’s a big hell no to Willis. Its Corral or Pickett. If you aren’t sold on either. Oline it up at least and trade for ….dear god Jimmy G or Michew and get one next year. 

You know there was a time when black people couldn't QB, or win SB's -- there is always going to be a 1st, this antiquated way of thinking needs to go on somewhere. 

We'd have won with Cam if we'd actually decided to game-plan versus the best pass rusher in the league at that time. "Cotchery Caught It'' as we all the NFL making sure they sent Peyton out on a high into the sunset. 

 

[beo]

2 hours ago, Lets go get it Canes said:

In 52 Super Bowls, maybe maybe one if you count Wilson

This is a lazy and revisionist take, out of those 52 super bowls; for 40 if not more of them "running qbs" (whatever that's defined as, lol) were not popular leaguewide and there were only 1-2 of them most years if we're referring to true scramblers. Dual threat players didn't become popularized until Vick but truthfully even during and immediately after Vick there were only 3-5 if not less true dual threat guys in the NFL until Cam's ROTY season  and the read option popularized them in the early 2010s. They've stuck around ever since because news flash; mobility and the ability to pick up yards with your legs isn't a bad thing. Instead of dismissing a prospect over a good thing, why not focus on actual flaws in his game? Because Willis has plenty..

Also Russ might not be a true dual threat QB now because of his changed playstyle but in 2012 he absolutely was when he ran for 540 yards that season and then went for over 800 the year afterwards. There's no argument as to if that "counts" or not unless you only refer to a running qb as a Lamar or Vick type because even Cam had 500ish yards some years. And yes, Cam was a good thrower as well as a great runner so that pretty much debunks this whole myth that you can't be a runner who can pass already but I know that truth sends people into a frenzy around here.

Since 2012, the following have appeared in super bowls:
Cam Newton

Colin Kaepernick (he wasn't any good, but if anything this only strengthens the point that a dual threat guy can make it with a great team and that the stigma means nothing)

Russell Wilson [x2]

That means that in the past 9 seasons, 4 times a dual threat guy has appeared and that's with the greatest QB of all time whoring up six super bowl appearances and three wins in that timeframe in the AFC (and NFC one year). Yet in spite of that,  around 20% of super bowl appearing qbs have been dual threat types in that time span and that number will likely only continue to rise in the future with more and more dual threat QBs popping up in the league like Josh Allen. Is throwing ability more important for a QB? Duh. But being able to make the defense pay with your legs isn't a bad thing. It's an extra dimension that the opposing defense has to gameplan for.

Edited March 25, 2022 by beo

[mrcompletely11]

In the past 10 super bowls pocket passers have won all but 2.  I count Mahomes and Wilson as "mobile" qbs.  However in the mahomes playoff run he had a total of 50 yards rushing and wilson had a total of 40 yards rushing in his.  Running and even mobile qbs seem to be way overrated when it comes to the playoffs.  You have to beat good defenses with passing in the pocket

[Lets go get it Canes]

36 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Such a dumb argument. Hill, RG3, The Golden Calf of Bristol are all busts that never made it as QBs in the NFL. Hill isn’t even a QB honestly… Should I make pocket QBs who have busted? Your list is just Cam, Lamar, Vick, and Murray. If you think Cam’s running ability is why we lost the Super Bowl you weren’t watching the game. Vick wasn’t developed by the Falcons leading to injuries and then the off fields issues messed his career up. Andy Reid coached him up in Philadelphia, but it was later in his career.

Running QBs can be developed into Josh Allen, Steve Young, Elway, Rodgers type players than can beat you in the pocket or make you pay with their legs. The problem is teams seem hesitant to beef up the OL when they have QBs that can run like the Cards, Panthers with Cam, and Falcons. You have to build a team around any QB to win it all. The Bills are doing it right and will have as good a chance as anyone to win it all with a QB who can run and has running plays drawn up for him.

What’s dumb?  Running QBs don’t win Super Bowls. Plain and simple. 

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Lets go get it Canes said:

What’s dumb?  Running QBs don’t win Super Bowls. Plain and simple. 

It’s dumb how you pivot and define running QBs to fit a small scale. 4 of the top 11 QBs with the most rushing yards all time have rings. Period. So out of the top 11 QBs that have the most career rushing yards 36-37% won a Super Bowl. Here is a dumb blanket statement for you. Based on history, pocket QBs have a higher chance of busting than QBs that can run. 

[rayzor]

Running is now an essential part of the game for the QB. It's part of the package in a well rounded QB. Unless they are some rate elite passer like brady, they need to bring food passing and a lot of mobility to the game. They have to be able to run. OLs aren't as it good as  they used to be and Cam really opened up the door for these dual threats, bringing in the modern rome if the QB. That door is going to be wide open for a long time. If you're not on board with that, you're going to be hating the game for a long time. 

[frankw]

The "NO RUNNING QB!!!!" folks here are becoming truly insufferable. If you don't like or want that style of QB fine but not everyone needs to hear about it every 5 minutes

Edited March 25, 2022 by frankw

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

The "NO RUNNING QB!!!!" folks here are becoming truly insufferable. If you don't like or want that style of QB fine but not everyone needs to hear about it every 5 minutes

They don't like mentioning Josh Allen either.  It's like they are in denial....  Yeah Cam is the reason we lost the Super Bowl and Manning was the reason they won.  Makes so much sense!

[T-Wazzle]

I just want a qb who can bring a championship to my homecity. 

I don't care how.