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Cut Darnold... Sign Vet QB to be a Mentor... Start Corral from Day 1


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12 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

See, that's kinda my point though.

Let me ask you this, do you think Darnold is going to lead this team to a good enough season to NOT be picking in the top 10 next year?

Because I don't think he is good enough for that personally, maybe the 12/13th pick of the draft at worst if he's starting most games.

That being the case, I want to know what Corral has got before that draft and not just spot duty in the final month.  There is no long term need for Corral if we're picking in the top 10 next year and don't know anything about him yet, as we're taking a QB in that situation, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a legit Top 10 QB to bank on a 3rd rounder the entire league passed on multiple times panning out for us. 

That's really all it comes down to for me, I was fine rolling with Darnold this year, until we traded a future Top 75 pick to take a QB in the 3rd round, once that happened it changed everything for me.  I now need to see what this kid can be right away, cause if not, we need to take an elite QB in 2023, even if we have to trade future firsts to move up high enough to do so.  

Because also look at the other side of it... if we start Corral all year and he shows enough that we like his potential to stick with him, but him being a rookie costs us some games and we end up with a top pick, we'll be able to flip that for a massive haul to help build around him.

I'm not terribly concerned with how we finish this season.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not terribly concerned with how we finish this season.

Until we get someone we're comfortable saying "this can be our QB for the next decade" then I'm concerned about where we're drafting every year.

You can't win in today's NFL without a good QB, could Corral be that guy?  Sure, but until we see it on the field we won't know, and if we have a Top 10 pick before we know, then I want that used on an elite QB if there is one available.

Really as simple as that for me, so throw out Corral, we'll either know he can be our guy or we'll be in a position to draft the QB of the future because we'll suck, I see zero upside in playing Darnold, we know he sucks.

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You give Same 3 games behind a MUCH improved line while Matt learns the system. If Sam is what Sam is, and Matt is ready to go, you put him in. If not, you sink again with Sam and get a good draft pick next season. If Sam plays great ... great. And Matt learns behind him and you deal with "who next" when the time comes. You don't just cut Sam because he played poorly behind a terrible line. You have to see what he can do. The ultimate Let You Know test. If you gave He Who I Must Not Name every excuse under the sun for years, Sam can get a few too.

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5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Until we get someone we're comfortable saying "this can be our QB for the next decade" then I'm concerned about where we're drafting every year.

You can't win in today's NFL without a good QB, could Corral be that guy?  Sure, but until we see it on the field we won't know, and if we have a Top 10 pick before we know, then I want that used on an elite QB if there is one available.

Really as simple as that for me, so throw out Corral, we'll either know he can be our guy or we'll be in a position to draft the QB of the future because we'll suck, I see zero upside in playing Darnold, we know he sucks.

Until we dump Matt Rhule for an actual NFL coach, I'm not optimistic.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Until we dump Matt Rhule for an actual NFL coach, I'm not optimistic.

Entirely different conversation and one we can agree on there.

But it doesn't mean I don't want to at least make smart personnel decisions until then, or at least as smart as possible with Rhule still having a significant say in the matter.

And to me, there should be 1 clear goal of this upcoming season, and that's to see what we have in Corral, I don't think anything else really matters since I don't see us as a contender this year.  Until you figure out your QB spot, you have no shot in this league these days.

If we go into next year's draft in position to draft a top QB and don't know what we have in Corral yet, it means we've wasted this year's 4th and next year's 3rd or we're wasting next year's first rounder by not taking a QB when we should have.  Neither of those options are appealing to me.

But if we play Corral and he doesn't pan out, I don't feel like it's wasted draft picks, at least we took the chance and saw what he was (or wasn't), but if he just doesn't get enough of an opportunity to find out, then it's wasted picks, and we don't have a complete enough roster to be wasting multiple draft picks each year trying to find a QB.

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2 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

I don’t get it. I’ve never understood the hate.

Because they see him as a nerdy dork IMHO. Just like with Clausen. Clausen sucked, yes, but if he were ... "cool", people would have given him a chance. Sam has no swag (which some fans here love more than the DAMN TEAM), so when he underperforms, his dorkiness gets to them. Jake was a fiesty gunslinger, Cam had the swag, some guys even gave PJ a break! So even when these guys played like crap, some people let it slide.

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2 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

I don’t get it. I’ve never understood the hate. He was traded here, thrown out there behind a poo line, with a relative child as the offensive coordinator. 
 

 He did his best. was always professional. Always accepted blame and never threw his teammates under the bus. 
 

he didn’t negotiate his salary.  Its based on the rookie pay scale. He didn’t pick up his 5th year option, the panthers did that. 
 

why people hate this human being that they have never met and know nothing about is a mystery to me. 
 

if he does not perform this year, he will not be given a new contract from the panthers. He will pack his bags and move on without a bad word. 

Some of you guys act like he is some cancerous douche. I don’t get it. 

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6 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

He's an extremely smart guy who has been around the league for almost 20 years, mostly as a backup.

There isn't a player in the league right now better suited to teach a rookie the ropes about how to go about being a professional QB in the NFL right now.

Except a guy who can't stay on a fugging team? 🥱

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Unless he lights it up early and impresses like Wilson did early don't  force it.

Even if he doesn't play this year you can go in to next year, and find a sensible veteran qb to pair with him.

Get back to the sensible way of doing things. Someone like Heinicke looking at the list. Bridgewater would have been perfect if that hadn't already happened. There could be some trade potential too.

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Foles would be an outstanding mentor for Corral and an upgrade over Darnold 

(Full disclosure, I'm an Arizona alum and would be buying a Foles jersey immediately if he ever signed with us, even if he was just the backup haha)

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Foles has been in the league for 10 years, won a super bowl, and has a winning record as a starter. Not saying I want him as our starter, but would be a perfect mentor to Corral. Ship Sam off to someone that has a solid QB but needs a decent backup and pay part of his salary to go away. 

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Would love to pick up Foles. 

I think if we are picking anything less that top 5 we will get a similar prospect to Corral. Going to be honest, outside of of Stroud and Young, next year doesn't look near as promising as people think. I say that being cautious of Stroud and Young too, because they both come from QB bust university, so I'm very much hoping Corral will be our once a decade unicorn.

 

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