Carlos Dunlap Visiting Panthers

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

We have historically either cut bait with young under-performing DEs by year 3 or given them year 3 as their 'prove it' year (outside of Peppers).   Rucker and Hardy were nothing special in years one and two, but took off in year 3.  They also were tabbed the as starters in season 3.  I'm not sure they would have blossomed like that had they been heavily rotated or usurped by a short-term FA pass rush specialist.

I don't think it's as big of a deal as you are making it.  Dunlap played in what 39% of Seattle's snaps last year and now is a year older.  Say he plays 1/3 of the snaps and YGM gets 2/3, that should be plenty of exposure to see what we have in YGM.  YGM also has had several injuries over the year, so it's smart to have some talent behind him.  If it's a reasonable contact I think this could only help our team.  At the end of the day these coaches are paid to win games and Dunlap should help us do that.  I could also see us sliding YGM inside of obvious passing downs (in fact I think we have already done this in the past).  If YGM is playing well and healthy he will stay on the field. 

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

YGM played 31% of defensive snaps last season. 
 

they can easily up that percentage if they feel it is necessary. No DL guy is playing 100% of snaps there is gonna be a rotation. 
 

 

He also was injured the past two seasons and missed time from that.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/yetur-gross-matos-player-injuries

 

[CarolinaLivin]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

He also was injured the past two seasons and missed time from that.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/yetur-gross-matos-player-injuries

 

But im saying they can easily add to his play time if he is healthy. Adding dunlap wouldn’t take from any potential snaps ygm or other DL would have is basically all im saying. 

[ForJimmy]

2 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

But im saying they can easily add to his play time if he is healthy. Adding dunlap wouldn’t take from any potential snaps ygm or other DL would have is basically all im saying. 

Oh yeah I agree 100%.  I was just adding to what you were saying.  He would have played more if healthy last year.  However, if he gets injured again it's nice to have some decent depth behind him.

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I don't think it's as big of a deal as you are making it.  Dunlap played in what 39% of Seattle's snaps last year and now is a year older.  Say he plays 1/3 of the snaps and YGM gets 2/3, that should be plenty of exposure to see what we have in YGM.  YGM also has had several injuries over the year, so it's smart to have some talent behind him.  If it's a reasonable contact I think this could only help our team.  At the end of the day these coaches are paid to win games and Dunlap should help us do that.  I could also see us sliding YGM inside of obvious passing downs (in fact I think we have already done this in the past).  If YGM is playing well and healthy he will stay on the field. 

Are all those money downs for Dunlap?  I mean, I can't see us giving YGM a new contract as two down guy.  I am not saying YGM needs 100% of the snaps and never did.  I did say he needs to be the starter and given the the lion's share of the snaps.  FYI--Lion's share does not mean all.

Edited June 13, 2022 by 45catfan

[Michael G]

8 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

But im saying they can easily add to his play time if he is healthy. Adding dunlap wouldn’t take from any potential snaps ygm or other DL would have is basically all im saying. 

Dunlap would kind of replace Morgan Fox in the rotation- while Haynes and Luvu (maybe Barno) replacing Reddick. If YTM play well and stays healthy he will get more snaps (or at least should) anyway. 

Dunlap (280 lbs) also offers the chance to play two true DE's in the Event Front on big packages (with Burns out or playing off the ball)

Edited June 13, 2022 by Michael G

[Jon Snow]

This is a good thing.  They need some quality in the rotation and he adds some to the group. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Michael G said:

Dunlap would kind of replace Morgan Fox in the rotation- while Haynes and Luvu (maybe Barno) replacing Reddick. If YTM play well and stays healthy he will get more snaps (or at least should) anyway.

Bingo.  But will he?  Obviously if TGM is hurt or just ends up sucking, sure, give Dunlap the snaps.  However, Rhule is looking at those sack numbers and probably envisioning Dunlap as a 3rd down specialist.

[ForJimmy]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Are all those money downs for Dunlap?  I mean, I can't see using giving YGM a new contract as two down guy.  I am not saying YGM needs 100% of the snaps and never did.  I did say he needs to be the starter and given the the lion's share of the snaps.  FYI--Lion's share does not mean all.

It's all situational.  If it's an obvious passing down like 3rd and long I think they slide one on the inside and use Burns, Brown, YGM, and Dunlap.  If YGM is playing good they aren't going to pull him on critical downs unless he is tired and it shows.  At the end of the day these coaches are wanting to win.  On top of all of these we have another experience pass rusher in practice that a young player like YGM can learn from.  I know you mentioned we have moved on from our young pass rushers after year 3 of not showing promise. Have any of these players played extremely well in their new environments?  I'm not saying they haven't just can't really think of any on the top of my head...

[Michael G]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Bingo.  But will he?  Obviously if TGM is hurt or just ends up sucking, sure, give Dunlap the snaps.  However, Rhule is looking at those sack numbers and probably envisioning Dunlap as a 3rd down specialist.

Yeah but with Dunlap and YGM both able to slide inside it might not affect his snaps as much as you think. He might eat into D. Brown, D. NIxon or Matt L. snaps too. If you are saying that Rhule/Snow will not use him in the best way and phase out YGM--I can understand why you'd be concerned- but In most situations adding this guy is a no brainer IMO.

[SetfreexX]

45 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Really?  That is truly fascinating! Tell me more.....

Splitting reps or even starting a likely one-year mercenary over a 2nd round pick that needs a lot of PT to prove if he's the right guy going forward isn't the smartest move.  We are talking about the Panthers though.

If Dunlap played 38% of the snaps in SEA (in 17 games), and Burns as a current example for us played 69% of the snaps, then a 62% snap count for YGM isn't out of the equation for the ''younger guy needs play time because he needs those reps'' crowd. (This would actually be pretty smart asking him NOT to HAVE to do too much in what is likely to be his first season as a potential FT starter)

Then Haynes covers the 31% behind Burns in this example. I don't think there is a concern here. 

Your comment comes across as if YGM needs ALL the reps and that's not realistic, even our best pass rusher was under 70%.

To keep a guy like Dunlap (33 years old) fresh that sub 40% is perfect; YGM plays downs 1-2, and can move inside on 3rd -- Burns / Ioannidis / YGM / Dunlap

That is a nice passing down Nickel set with -- Haynes / Brown / Nixon, and maybe Luvu / Barno as rotational depth pieces as well.

[Aussie Tank]

Can never have too many pass rushers fresh legs get home easier than buggered ones 

[Mr. Scot]