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“Are the Panthers becoming perennial Losers?”

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7 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Yep. That’s why we drafted Burns. We were still running hybrid 3-4 prior to that year under Rivera. We just went into the draft with that mindset. 

What’s funny is Pittsburgh has some close stats the past 2 years for their D close to the our D the last 2 years under Ron.

Sacks for days but can’t stop the run being the main one.

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19 minutes ago, panthersgreenville said:

Honestly, I think people give too much blame/credit when it comes to owners. At the end of the day owners don’t possess this 6th sense and know exactly what potential new head coaches are going to be the next Vince Lombardi or the next.. well the next Rhule.

Its not an owner who builds a team, signs and picks Free Agents, drafts and scouts players, coaches players to be their best, manage and coach in game situations, call plays etc etc.

An owner is only as good as the GM/Scouts/Head Coaches/players/coaching staff etc. 

Tepper hasn’t really done anything different than other owners have done, it just so happened the head coach he hired didn’t pan out, it happens, on to the next one. I just can’t pinpoint a “smoking gun” to point to and say Tepper has been a bad owner. 

The owner hires the people that build the team.  So he isn’t a non-factor. 

and clearly Tepper has done things other owners haven’t done.  He made a middle of the road college coach one of the highest paid coaches in the NFL, gave him absurd power and let him bring a nearly all college staff with him to the pros.   That’s not par for the course for NFL ownership.  That makes Tepper on the unique side.   And not in a good way 

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20 minutes ago, panthersgreenville said:

Honestly, I think people give too much blame/credit when it comes to owners. At the end of the day owners don’t possess this 6th sense and know exactly what potential new head coaches are going to be the next Vince Lombardi or the next.. well the next Rhule.

Its not an owner who builds a team, signs and picks Free Agents, drafts and scouts players, coaches players to be their best, manage and coach in game situations, call plays etc etc.

An owner is only as good as the GM/Scouts/Head Coaches/players/coaching staff etc. 

Tepper hasn’t really done anything different than other owners have done, it just so happened the head coach he hired didn’t pan out, it happens, on to the next one. I just can’t pinpoint a “smoking gun” to point to and say Tepper has been a bad owner. 

Owners pick the guys who do those things.

And this is where Tepper has been a problem. He's trusted the wrong people.

He trusted Hurney first. That led to Rhule, whom he trusted with a huge contract and full control.

Trusting the wrong people is the Cardinal Sin for an NFL owner.

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12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Owners pick the guys who do those things.

And this is where Tepper has been a problem. He's trusted the wrong people.

He trusted Hurney first. That led to Rhule, whom he trusted with a huge contract and full control.

Trusting the wrong people is the Cardinal Sin for an NFL owner.

He let a bullshit artist hire a bullshit artist and we the fans are left with

 

 

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58 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Nah, his underlying demeanor, including his outburst on the sidelines last season, belies the fact that he's not OK with it. He was very hopeful and optimistic that Mayfield would magically help to turn things around--including the culture, but we've sucked for the first couple of games and Robbie is frustrated like everyone else. 

Robbie is also the world's biggest Matt Rhule fan.

He may be upset with the losing but he's failing to recognize where it's really coming from.

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12 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

We had just hit north of .500 all time in 2018 and then Cam took that hit in the shoulder…that’s the mark when things went downhill.

We can't blame the loss of Cam for the failure to properly replace him though.

And let's be real: He wasn't gonna last forever, especially not with the style of football he played.

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Not 'becoming', but 'are'.

It's a culture now. That's why you've got guys like RA saying that fans shouldn't be so negative. He's ok with it so we should be.

I ignore comments like that only because they know what a crowd can do for the team they’re cheering for and in most cases cheering against.

He put no more effort into that thought than he did securing the football.

 

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22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We can't blame the loss of Cam for the failure to properly replace him though.

And let's be real: He wasn't gonna last forever, especially not with the style of football he played.

Not Cam’s fault at all, it’s was on Hurney and Rivera not realizing the end was coming sooner rather than later.

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