It was fun while it lasted... Love Wilks as a man, but today was the final word on defensive head coaches... In the words of Mike Singletary, "Don't want them. Can't win with them."

[Proudiddy]

Even riding the Wilks momentum, my concern was still if everything worked out and we hired a superstar OC, the issue is the offense is always going to have turnover because if he's worth his salt he will get hired away.  And offense is always harder to scheme than defense is for a DC.  Most defensive concepts are simple, but the best DCs know how and when to use them.  OCs dictate the game by and large, and they have the ability to get a lot more creative with their concepts and designs, whoch makes their schemes harder to replicate because theyre like fingerprints with all the moving parts and ability to move and use them.  OCs dictate.  Period.  OCs and offensive coaches are proactive, whereas most DCs and defensive coaches are REactive.  And that has always been our kryptonite since our inception...  we are always reacting and back on our heels instead of being assertive and proactive.  Cam was the one, very short reprieve from that, and not becaude of ingenious coaching, but because he wa s a fuging force of nature.  But, that's why we need an offensive coach.

And again, there's a long history of lifelong DCs that are great at what they do and never go on to become HCs or fail when they get the chance...  even superstar DCs like Jim Johnson and Dick LeBeau who were exceptions of the profession in that they dictated games with their aggressive styles were not heavily sought after as head coaches.  Defensive schemes are replicable. Even the best ones, and even if you have a superstar DC that does eventually get hired away, you can usually do a good enough job replicating what they did.  That's not the case with OCs.  Good ones that can implement creative, unique schemes where guys are seemingly getting wide open every play or running free - once you lose them, they can't be replaced.  That is the guy we need at head coach.

Still pisses me off that we kept Rhule's fuging dumbass around another year instead of getting Daboll.  Sure, the Lions' and Eagles' OCs are cool, but they don't seem as ingenious as Daboll is and had shown himself to be for years before the Giants hired him.  Also, the Lions and Eagles have had some stinkers as of late, so I don't feel as confident about them.  poo is just frustrating. 

Anyway, it's been real Wilks, but thank you for reminding us why defensive coaches aren't the way to go.  Those two punts from midfield may have costed you the job and ended our season, but it was painful reminder that needed to be had now before we got caught up in our feelings.

[Icege]

Was fun to have some hope and change here after the Rhule fiasco.

Time to have no idea and senseless argue until a head coach is hired

[Proudiddy]

Just now, Icege said:

Was fun to have some hope and change here after the Rhule fiasco.

Time to have no idea and senseless argue until a head coach is hired

Agreed, but also knowing our history, time to hire the wrong one.

[Chaos]

Look at McDermott and the Buffalo situation.  Possibly the exception to the rule?  Don't get me wrong, I want an offensive guru to be our next HC and get away from the stubborn, stodgy, you-can-win-14-to-10, antiquated, conservative, ghost of Jerry Richardson, John Fox/Ron Rivera clone.  But how many Sean McVay's are just sitting around waiting for an HC job?  And would they want to be handcuffed to Darnold, Corral, or who we might be able to get in FA or mid-first round draft?

[Proudiddy]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Look at McDermott and the Buffalo situation.  Possibly the exception to the rule?  Don't get me wrong, I want an offensive guru to be our next HC and get away from the stubborn, stodgy, you-can-win-14-to-10, antiquated, conservative, ghost of Jerry Richardson, John Fox/Ron Rivera clone.  But how many Sean McVay's are just sitting around waiting for an HC job?  And would they want to be handcuffed to Darnold, Corral, or who we might be able to get in FA or mid-first round draft?

McD, Belichick, and Tomlin are definitely exceptions to the rule.  And look at how the latter two are now faring without HOF QBs and somewhat quality OCs.

Any good OC will believe they can turn chicken poo into chicken salad, no matter what we already have here.  Look at what Sirriani did in Philly when he was hired.  I don't know that their roster was any more appealing than what we have now.

[jopie87]

28 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Agreed, but also knowing our history, time to hire the wrong one.

Kellen Moore terrifies me.

[Mr. Scot]

I get what you're saying, but to be fair the coach on the other sideline is a defensive coach as well.

[rmoneyg35]

Wilks would have been Ron Rivera 2.0

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get what you're saying, but to be fair the coach on the other sideline is a defensive coach as well.

Yeah, but Leftwich is highly regarded, and is also likely to become HC somewhere in the near future.  That team is going to be going through it when Leftwich and Brady leave.

[trueblade]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get what you're saying, but to be fair the coach on the other sideline is a defensive coach as well.

Who has a HoF level QB...

[frankw]

As an interim that inherited a mess he's done a hell of a lot better than Rhule ever did hats off to him there but that isn't the bar. The search continues...

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

We find out this month if the Panthers will continue to be mediocre, or attempt to be a modern NFL franchise. Very nervous tbh

[Doc Holiday]

I’ve stated the entire time that Wilks had to get us to the playoffs in order for me to want us to keep him. We have had seasons like this before and as with this season, fallen short right at the end again. 
 

Wilks needed to Prove he was different imo, and winning the division would have proved that. Most of Wilks’s  success this season came from the Fact that he knew how to coach an NFL team and players vs Matt Rhule who didn’t have a fuging clue as to what he was doing. We could’ve gotten this result with any halfway decent NFL coach. Wilks while doing a good job this season and a huge upgrade over Rhule is easily replaceable imo.

if he does some how end up keeping the job, I won’t be mad. Just disappointed we didn’t try to do better.

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

As an interim that inherited a mess he's done a hell of a lot better than Rhule ever did hats off to him there but that isn't the bar. The search continues...

He made the season interesting and brought meaningful football to January for us. Nice.

Now to find a coach that has us playing in February....