"We should have traded Burns" - a rebuttal

[ECHornet]

1 hour ago, Zaximus said:

I just can't buy the double team argument either.  I've seen Tight Ends and running backs solo OWN Burns during games.  There isn't a good argument as to why it was a good thing, with what we know about Burns and how he is playing right now.  But, we have to move on, just add it to the plethora of other Panther mistakes.  The biggest thing will be when we have to re-sign him because it'll look even worse if he walks, but, now he has all the leverage knowing this.  

He’ll never just walk. We’d use the franchise tag to trade before that happened. 

[thunderraiden]

5 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

https://www.panthers.com/news/brian-burns-top-10-pass-rusher-espn-poll-2022

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/panthers/.amp/gm-report/nfl-execs-view-brian-burns-as-a-top-10-pass-rusher

That same NFC scout told me that Burns "still has huge upside, and while his production has been good, he would really take off if his offense scored more often, to where he could pin his ears back an extra 15-20 times per game."

 

 

Exactly what I've been saying, if burns is at 75% of snaps on defense and pass rushing most of those his stats would skyrocket on a more balanced team. Dude is standing up on pass rush attempts because he gets ran on and gashed if he doesn't stay disciplined, now he does. Our run d has improved tremendously over the last few weeks compared to the last two years.

[Mol3m4n]

Watch Micah Parsons and then watch Brian Burns. Tell me if stats match the eye test. 

[Cavscout]

Burns could still be traded in the offseason. The Panthers wouldn't have gotten a 1st rd pick this year from the rumored Rams trade anyhow so it wouldn't have really helped going into next year.

[mrcompletely11]

13 minutes ago, Cavscout said:

Burns could still be traded in the offseason. The Panthers wouldn't have gotten a 1st rd pick this year from the rumored Rams trade anyhow so it wouldn't have really helped going into next year.

We would have gotten a 2nd.  And that is the problem with the panthers for the past 3 years, we are looking for immediate gratification instead of developing a plan and going with it.

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Not gonna quote everyone on this but coaches and gms have talked about it. 

 

A future first is worth a pick in the middle of its round divided by 2 and that goes down the further out it is. 

 

So next year's first from the Rams would have a draft value of a pick in the middle of the 2nd round, the one after that would have a value of a third round pick. 

 

That's how draft pick trade valuation works. 

 

Every single team uses similar valuation charts

You could not be more wrong here.  That is a simplistic and short sighted way of looking at things.  Do you believe fitt had the same line of thinking when he traded cmac?

[frankw]

The trade didn't happen. Something could still get done his value doesn't just vanish overnight. I don't know why anyone is still angry over this it might be a clue to take a break.

[Jon Snow]

[Biscuit]

6 hours ago, ECHornet said:

He’ll never just walk. We’d use the franchise tag to trade before that happened. 

We let Peppers just walk.

[SetfreexX]

16 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

One huge flaw in your argument.   We are not winning NOW.  We are still a ways away from being competitive.   2 years minimum.   And that’s best case scenario 

After this FA period / draft this response could be considered flawed. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

After this FA period / draft this response could be considered flawed. 

cool, who is the qb in your scenario?

[SmokinwithWilly]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

cool, who is the qb in your scenario?

That's the question. Unless we build around Darnold and hope Corral develops, a rookie QB is likely into year 2 before making significant growth. That's why most of the people saying we should have taken the trade are saying 2 years or longer. We lack a HC, OC, DC, and QB. That's a unicorn offseason to get all that right in one year and make a playoff run. 

[stratocatter]

13 minutes ago, Biscuit said:

We let Peppers just walk.

And the restructures around tagging him were very costly as well not just in money but you could be cutting or keeping guys solely based on money. Big double whammy.  I always thought JR was all over those decisions and told Marty to make it work financially. 
 

[frankw]

46 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. It happened, not angry

Yeah okay. At this point you'll still be venting about the Burns trade that never happened on your death bed.