Thompson talks Wilks, Reich, Evero

[frankw]

7 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Shaq must have been talking to frankw for him to get his panties in a bunch about this.  I have no problem with Shaq remaining on this team with a sensible extension.

He'll be 29 in April. Giving an aging linebacker a "sensible" extension sounds like a Marty Hurney move. That's how we want to run things again?

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

This fanbase was spoiled by Mills to Morgan to Beason to TD to Luke. All pro level talent at the LB position for 20+ years, and then we get a borderline pro-bowl player in there and they want to burn it all down because it's not good enough.

Shaq is worth keeping around.

Couldn't have said it any better. This franchise has been spoiled ROTTEN by great linebackers.  Shaq is our best traditional linebacker. He can't be replaced if the kids did have their way. 

[thunderraiden]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

He'll be 29 in April. Giving an aging linebacker a "sensible" extension sounds like a Marty Hurney move. That's how we want to run things again?

Giving a 29 yr old who is the best lb on our roster a two year contract is a marty hurney move now... wow

Edited February 7, 2023 by thunderraiden

[Icege]

5 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

What has Shaq done to be hated here? I mean there is a real shitty attitude toward him. 

That's been the casual fan's attitude towards him since he was drafted tbh. He was supposed to be the heir to TD and that made folks feel insecure because TD is beloved.

Since then, it's just been every excuse to denigrate him and/or his play. The man had one of if not the lowest missed tackle % on the team and posters were complaining that he was missing too many tackles. You just can't convince people that have already decided that they know better.

Edited February 7, 2023 by Icege

[BrianS]

The "problem" with Shaq has always been his contract.  It simply didn't reflect his play at any point.

Statistically, Shaq and Frankie Luvu were the same player this year.  Eerily similar.  But cap wise, Shaq hit us at 13 million and Luvu at 3.5 million.  It's pretty hard to swallow.

[Khyber53]

The guy is the most consistently good player on our defense and leads the whole group. He sets the tone and covers for many of the holes we have in the schemes.

We need to keep him and I hope they can work things out, either with a redo of the contract or that we just pay the man as he was promised. He's certainly upheld his end of the bargain.

 

[frankw]

6 hours ago, thunderraiden said:

Giving a 29 yr old who is the best lb on our roster a two year contract is a marty hurney move now... wow

He said he won't take a paycut. He's been averaging about 13 million per season on his current deal. So 26 million minimum. Yeah that has a bit of a Hurney vibe to it sorry if you guys don't want to hear it but I thought we were done building our team overinvesting in linebackers and running backs.

[top dawg]

Shaq is fine as long as he takes a pay cut. Otherwise, it's business not hate.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 hours ago, BrianS said:

The "problem" with Shaq has always been his contract.  It simply didn't reflect his play at any point.

Statistically, Shaq and Frankie Luvu were the same player this year.  Eerily similar.  But cap wise, Shaq hit us at 13 million and Luvu at 3.5 million.  It's pretty hard to swallow.

Shaq's contract was one of Hurney's last parting gifts, along with CMC's and Teddy Bridgewater's.

If people are going to hate anyone in this scenario, hate the man shelling out top dollar for deemphasized positions in the modern NFL and backup QBs.

Has shaq lived up to the contract he signed? Probably not. I'd say at least a pro bowl or two would have validated it. But he has still played well enough and if our teams were playoff bound he might have gotten some pro bowl love. But right now there are no FA LBers on the open market better than him available, and if they are, they'd be even MORE expensive than Shaq currently is right now. 

Restructure/extend 2-3 years, and run it back with one of our defensive leaders. 

[The Huddler]

we are gunna need him with this new defensive scheme.  just restructure. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

He is not good.  Release.

[Jon Snow]

Over paid like every other Marty Hurney extension he ever did. He didn't pay them based on past production he paid them by what he thought they would do in the future. It never worked out. He was an idiot. 

[grimesgoat]

Dude had 135 tackles and is the leader of our defense.

Extend him 3 years, 36m.  2023 12m bonus, 2024 12m salary, 2025 12m salary.

Saves 8 m in cap in 2023.

Cap hit in 2024 is 18m or if cut 8m dead.

Cap hit in 2025 is 18m or if cut 4m dead.

 

[BrianS]

8 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Dude had 135 tackles and is the leader of our defense.

Extend him 3 years, 36m.  2023 12m bonus, 2024 12m salary, 2025 12m salary.

Saves 8 m in cap in 2023.

Cap hit in 2024 is 18m or if cut 8m dead.

Cap hit in 2025 is 18m or if cut 4m dead.

 

That doesn't add up.  Luvu averaged a bit more than 7.5 tackles per game played.  Shaq averaged 8 tackles per game played.  Please explain how Shaq is worth nearly three times what Luvu makes.

18 million for a non-rush LB is TOO MUCH MONEY unless you're talking about a guy like a Kuechly who makes everyone else better.  Shaq is no Luke.

If you want to keep Shaq here in the 7-8 million range over 2 additional years, ok.  Otherwise, thank you for your service, best of fortune in your future endeavors.

You've also got to consider that we will now need MORE LB's as we switch to a 3-4.  In that defense, it's the OLB's who make the bread.  Shaq is not a 3-4 OLB.