Super Bowl LVII

[SCO96]

9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

That photo is the definition of defensive holding. The refs were asked to crack down on it this year…. And boy did they choose the moment to crack down….

As well the should. But, to even things out they need to crackdown on WR "push-offs" and all of the pick plays we see on the rub route. I enjoyed tonight's game. But playing defense in football is harder than playing defense in any other sport. And every year it seems to get harder.

Maybe they should eliminate tackling next so the offenses can score every time they get the ball.

It would be great for everyone's fantasy team.

[Jackie Lee]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Grass should have gone down the day after Arizona's last home game. That would have given it a chance at least to become a legit playing surface 

I'm sure they decided to employ tons of "consultants" and other morons who weren't qualified. It's like when someone opens a bar or something and it takes 3 months longer than expected to open then it's a week long poo show before opening day. It's funny BOA literally put grass down for that one Chelsea or whoever soccer game for one game and it looked perfect. Tepper can afford and knows how to put down grass

[Sgt Schultz]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Grass should have gone down the day after Arizona's last home game. That would have given it a chance at least to become a legit playing surface 

I think the last football game at that stadium was December 31, the Fiesta Bowl.  The NFL's grounds crew should have celebrated New Years Eve in Phoenix and been resodding on January 1.

Although it may have also been their new hybrid grass that was slick, who knows.  Why they would wait until two weeks before the game to do that is anybody's guess.   

[Bear Hands]

The Booking.com commercial also called a gardener a landscape architect so I am just beyond at this point lol

[KSpan]

53 minutes ago, frankw said:

Oh it's not a stereotype trust me. People from Missouri are poo.

I live in KC, have for many years. No, many, if not most, of them aren't.

Edited February 13, 2023 by KSpan

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I'm sure they decided to employ tons of "consultants" and other morons who weren't qualified. It's like when someone opens a bar or something and it takes 3 months longer than expected to open then it's a week long poo show before opening day. It's funny BOA literally put grass down for that one Chelsea or whoever soccer game for one game and it looked perfect. Tepper can afford and knows how to put down grass

It's not like anyone would notice someone slipping in a soccer game anyway with all the flopping going on.

[Jackie Lee]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not like anyone would notice someone slipping in a soccer game anyway with all the flopping going on.

Yeah I just don't remember the field looking super gashed up all over the place like tonight. That's usually rain game stuff

[Harbingers]

11 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I think the last football game at that stadium was December 31, the Fiesta Bowl.  The NFL's grounds crew should have celebrated New Years Eve in Phoenix and been resodding on January 1.

Although it may have also been their new hybrid grass that was slick, who knows.  Why they would wait until two weeks before the game to do that is anybody's guess.   

I mean it is a golf turf. Idk what the point of using it in a football stadium was. Though I do think the paint job was also a large problem. 

[trueblade]

1 hour ago, Cdparr7 said:

I really wonder if the pendulum will ever swing back towards the defense. Even Tepper said part of why he wanted a OC was because a new offensive rule is being passed every year.

IMO, get rid of offensive holding and defensive holding and let them go at it. Got to keep DPI and RTP but those are a little less subjective to human error I guess. 

As long as the perception is that offense= eyeballs and defense=boring, the pendulum won't swing back. It's just a question of how long before it's basically Arena rules out there.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

I've been thinking about the huge call at the end there. If this has been discussed in the past 10 pages, my bad. But to the "you can't call that" and "just let them play" crowd:

So ... do you not call ANYTHING then? You just let them play? That's insane. So then, they only call blatant calls? If that's your stance ... do you mean to tell me you want players to be able to do small holds, tugs, grabs, etc. in the last two minutes? That's insane.

Do you want guys to just play and refs call blatant stuff, or want refs to be a judge and let small stuff go but call medium sized stuff lol? Jesus. Where do you draw the line?

The obvious answer is ... refs should make the same calls all game long. Whomever came up with the "just let them play" BS is a fool. JB admitted he tugged on the receiver. End of story. It got called. If you were a diehard Chiefs fan you'd be livid had it not been called.

So yes ... to you gentlemen who want the refs to keep their flags in their pockets ... where's the line? What should they throw a flag on?

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not like anyone would notice someone slipping in a soccer game anyway with all the flopping going on.

Soccer doesn't have nearly the same amount of abrupt cutting and starts/stops as football. Some, sure, but more forgiving of poorer surfaces IME.

[DJ feed me moore]

1 hour ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

Except, it will be the defense that wins this game , the bleeding has to stop somewhere 

 

 

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[Brooklyn 3.0]

9 minutes ago, KSpan said:

I live in KC, have for many years. No, many, if not most, of them aren't.

You just have to let frank slide on here. He's not white. It's similar to how he laughs at many guys on here who have interesting opinions on POC. Let him think what he wants. No harm, no foul. It's just font on your screen at the end of the day.

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I've been thinking about the huge call at the end there. If this has been discussed in the past 10 pages, my bad. But to the "you can't call that" and "just let them play" crowd:

So ... do you not call ANYTHING then? You just let them play? That's insane. So then, they only call blatant calls? If that's your stance ... do you mean to tell me you want players to be able to do small holds, tugs, grabs, etc. in the last two minutes? That's insane.

Do you want guys to just play and refs call blatant stuff, or want refs to be a judge and let small stuff go but call medium sized stuff lol? Jesus. Where do you draw the line?

The obvious answer is ... refs should make the same calls all game long. Whomever came up with the "just let them play" BS is a fool. JB admitted he tugged on the receiver. End of story. It got called. If you were a diehard Chiefs fan you'd be livid had it not been called.

So yes ... to you gentlemen who want the refs to keep their flags in their pockets ... where's the line? What should they throw a flag on?

Call the game in the last two minutes like you've been calling it for the previous 58 minutes. They'd been letting those types of plays go all night so continue to let them go. The refs kinda set the tone for how a game is going to be played early on with how they officiate the close judgement calls. Is it being called tight or are they letting them play? The players get a feel for that tone and adjust accordingly. When the refs suddenly change the tone mid-game or even worse in crunch time at the end everyone feels cheated.

There was one defensive holding penalty called all night long and it came in the final two minutes on crucial third down and it was ticky tack. The same type of stuff they'd been letting go all night. That's just not fair officiating from the perspective of a player. You've set the tone for how you're going to officiate this game and in the biggest moment you completely break from that norm and throw the type of flag you haven't been throwing all game.