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Bears have been approached by multiple teams for #1 Pick and are leaning towards trading the pick away per Adam Schefter

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2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

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it's a new era. the game has changed. you have to have a top QB or you will be left behind.

From listening to Frank over the past few weeks he clearly indicated that they are not going to go with the old qb stereotypes.  He's looking to evolve the offense to meet the current direction the league is going. Luckily for us there are a lot of prospects in the draft that can accelerate that transition.  But they've got to be smart and accurate as well as a high character guy.  I think I would start there and figure our odds of getting that person or persons. 

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4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

From listening to Frank over the past few weeks he clearly indicated that they are not going to go with the old qb stereotypes.  He's looking to evolve the offense to meet the current direction the league is going. Luckily for us there are a lot of prospects in the draft that can accelerate that transition.  But they've got to be smart and accurate as well as a high character guy.  I think I would start there and figure our odds of getting that person or persons. 

10 years ago probably the highest rated QB would be Tanner McKee from Stanford. Now you have to be very mobile, which was actually one of the knocks against Stroud until the GA game. It wasn't that he wasn't mobile, it's that he didn't run much.

You have to be a guy that makes stuff happen one way or another. you have to be dynamic and you have to be someone who can not just get their team motivated but the fans charged up as well.

pretty much Cam Newton is the template for the modern day QB. You can win with your arm or win with your legs. you just get the job done. this has proven to be what works best in the league now. this is what puts you in a position to win championships. 

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3 hours ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

If Young was 6'2" he'd be a Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck tier prospect.

If Young was 6’2 and like 220 maybe. It’s not his height that concerns me. It’s his playing weight being like Pat White where average NFL hits have a much larger impact on you because even the smaller guys have like 20 pounds on him. Dline folks that get their hands on him are going to injure him. 

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1 hour ago, Varking said:

If Young was 6’2 and like 220 maybe. It’s not his height that concerns me. It’s his playing weight being like Pat White where average NFL hits have a much larger impact on you because even the smaller guys have like 20 pounds on him. Dline folks that get their hands on him are going to injure him. 

It’s like people don’t remember when 200 lbs Taylor Hienicke couldn’t make it 2 quarters before breaking his arm via a sack from Grady Jarret.

Weight AND bone structure matter.

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18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No one else does.

Thats a good deal for me, most times have shown Im right and even in recent times as well...... When the guy you are drafting instantly becomes either the fastest guy in the league or 2nd, the top 1% of 1% athletically, and has top 10 arm strength.   Dam shame about the dog deal and his laziness about learning/watching tape. But coming out of college he a 100% hacked version of a madden QB, in fact he was banned(then nerfed) too. He only lost one college game as well......He was incredible in college and i still say hes in the next level of "cannt miss" QBs. 

 

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9 hours ago, rayzor said:

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it's a new era. the game has changed. you have to have a top QB or you will be left behind.

Lol...nope  its just because no one builds a defense like that.The mindset has changed  but the principles will always work, if you work them.

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9 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That was 20 years ago.

 

It's 2023 my friend. Also you realize that Ravens defense was arguably the best defense in NFL history?

 

Defense was so great it has a 30 for 30 about them. Sheesh!

Yes I realize that..too bad they couldnt win in this era.

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Lol...nope  its just because no one builds a defense like that.The mindset has changed  but the principles will always work, if you work them.

Won't work well enough. The game has changed. It favors the offense. You try to build a defense like that and roll with a mediocre QB and you're going to get rolled more often than not. 

That Ravens team and season was an anomaly. We rarely see a defense dominate with mediocre QB play because it just doesn't work except in rare circumstances.

Defense doesn't win championships anymore. 

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8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Won't work well enough. The game has changed. It favors the offense. You try to build a defense like that and roll with a mediocre QB and you're going to get rolled more often than not. 

That Ravens team and season was an anomaly. We rarely see a defense dominate with mediocre QB play because it just doesn't work except in rare circumstances.

Defense doesn't win championships anymore. 

I think the Eagles would beg to differ with you. Had their defense shown up they win. A complimentary offense and defense wins championships. You have to score a lot of points sure but you better be able to prevent the other team from doing the same thing.  Your offense cannot consistently keep putting the defense in bad situations either. 

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18 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Won't work well enough. The game has changed. It favors the offense. You try to build a defense like that and roll with a mediocre QB and you're going to get rolled more often than not. 

That Ravens team and season was an anomaly. We rarely see a defense dominate with mediocre QB play because it just doesn't work except in rare circumstances.

Defense doesn't win championships anymore. 

The Chiefs won this Superbowl because of a defensive TD. Mahomes only had 180 some odds passing.

Rams win the year before in a low scoring game via defense 

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