Saints Sign Derek Carr to 4 year deal.

[t96]

woof $150M with 100 guaranteed. Glad we didn't make that mistake just to be a wildcard round exit at best

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

woof $150M with 100 guaranteed. Glad we didn't make that mistake just to be a wildcard round exit at best

100m guaranteed is confirmed? That's peak insanity.

[frankw]

17 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If the cap mattered to them (which it doesn't), then this could cause problems for them.

As it is, though, they are going to be a bigger problem for us. He's automatically the best QB in the NFCS. 

He's talented but turns the ball over and also has the most number of career fumbles of any current starter. As long as we secure our own QB in this draft we'll be fine.

[Panthera onca]

18 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If the cap mattered to them (which it doesn't), then this could cause problems for them.

As it is, though, they are going to be a bigger problem for us. He's automatically the best QB in the NFCS. 

Hopefully his play last season is indicative of a decline that he won't be able to pull out of. I like Carr but not for the kind of money the Saints are paying him.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, t96 said:

woof $150M with 100 guaranteed. Glad we didn't make that mistake just to be a wildcard round exit at best

Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to do that much.

[Mistuh Jones]

[frankw]

If any Panthers fan actually wanted to give this guy 100m guaranteed they are welcome to see themselves out. See how Wilson and Watson have played since their new mega deals with their new teams if you need further validation of why this would have been a likely disastrous contract.

[t96]

14 minutes ago, frankw said:

100m guaranteed is confirmed? That's peak insanity.

I think that's what Rap said but that being said it's not uncommon for early reports on guarantees to be misleading

[Seltzer]

19 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If the cap mattered to them (which it doesn't), then this could cause problems for them.

As it is, though, they are going to be a bigger problem for us. He's automatically the best QB in the NFCS. 

This is unprecedented in terms of a team kicking the salary cap can down the road. 

Even with all the restructuring/ maneuvering possible, the Saints are basically hemming themselves into a situation where the only players they will be able to afford over the next few years are basically to sign their draft picks (maybe) and league-minimum players.  

What happens if you are in a situation where you can't afford to get 53 players (I know only 51 count) under the salary cap?  Do you simply carry less players?  B/c that is a realistic issue if you look at their cap position over the next few years.  How does the NFL handle this from both a competitive and safety perspective?  I can definitely see the NFL changing the rules regarding how salaries are structured if/when the Saints get in that position.  

It will be interesting to see over the next few years how they even achieve cap compliance.  Regardless of what homer Saints fans want to believe, their cap guy hasn't found some magic formula that no one else knows about.

There has just never been a team willing to double down for so many years in a row, especially with a roster that certainly doesn't look capable of actually competing for a championship.

Yes, Carr certainly makes the Saints better for next season.  But beyond that, I can see no objective take on how this is a good thing for the Saints long-term.

Bottom line, if we get the right young QB, we will be in a much, much better position than the Saints for at least the next 5 years (or more) as they dig out of this unprecedented mess. 

And again, regardless of what Saints fans want to believe, their cap is in an absolute mess.  Continuing to kick the can is not smart or innovative.  The Falcons and now the Bucs are smart enough to take their medicine now to compete long term.

The only positive I can honestly see is that Carr does help their chances to win the NFC South this year.  Beyond that, I'll eat my words in in retrospect this doesn't look like yet another massive mistake, and one that will finally cripple the Saints for a while.

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, rayzor said:

If the cap mattered to them (which it doesn't), then this could cause problems for them.

As it is, though, they are going to be a bigger problem for us. He's automatically the best QB in the NFCS. 

You mean deciding to play for somebody else doesn't automatically mean a free agent sucks?

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

I think that's what Rap said but that being said it's not uncommon for early reports on guarantees to be misleading

Breer confirms...

 

[t96]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Breer confirms...

 

so pretty much $70M guaranteed as that $10M vesting in '24 is a lock. If they do cut him after 2 years before having paid out $100M they'd likely have a massive dead cap hit which makes that pretty unlikely. So $60M officially fully guaranteed but really $70M is 100% and $100M is likely. Way too much for my liking. 

[Soul Rebel]

Mannnnnnnn, if Carr goes down with a substantial injury, the Saints are screwed. This is very on-brand for them, so not surprised in the least, and kudos to Fitts & Co. for driving the price up.

[top dawg]

28 minutes ago, t96 said:

woof $150M with 100 guaranteed. Glad we didn't make that mistake just to be a wildcard round exit at best

I just heard on ESPN radio that it's 70 million in guarantees, but 100 mil guaranteed in total. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by top dawg