There seems to be a sizable portion of the fanbase that thinks size trumps skill and talent

[Daddy_Uncle]

[TheMaulClaw]

I don't think this is true, there are a just a good number of us who know that CJ Stroud is the best qb in the draft.

[Hoenheim]

Size matters at QB unless you're an exception to the rule like Brees, Wilson, or Murray.  

IMO it's not wise to bank on Bryce being the exception, especially when he can't run like Wilson or Murray can and he's a lot lighter than both. Brees is 2 inches taller and probably a first ballot HoFer.

Stroud is just the obvious safe pick and there's nothing wrong with that.  He should be the pick unless the Panthers overthink it. If they do there's going to be a shitstorm among the fan base. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Hoenheim

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, Jaxel said:

I don't think Russel Wilson was 6'4.

Wilson was 5' 11" but remains the same for most of the other QB's because he was just one out of the many shorter ones that were taller.

Edited March 12, 2023 by PantherOnTheProwl1523

[onmyown]

1 hour ago, Bluetooth said:

Isn't it funny CJ has dealt with more injuries than Young...

 

But ask your girl if size matters...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

She wouldn't be yours if it did

 

she said she wouldn’t be mine if it didn’t 

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, PizzaTheHutt said:

Ya lost me at Bret "Hitman" Hart. Never liked him. Great technical ability but stiff in all the wrong ways. Owen got all the personality in that family. 

 

Love Brett hart 3 of the greatest matches all time are Bret Hart matches.. Keep watching Aew..

Edited March 12, 2023 by Sub Zero

[top dawg]

10 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

From this past season? The same game he completed 69.2% of his passes for 213 yards and a TD while also running for 38 yards after going 18-28 the week prior for 195 yards and 5 TDs while also rushing for 1 TD and 100 yards? Yeah, he can't run

 

Meanwhile Stroud had a game where he went 10-26 for 38.5%, 76 yards and no TDs while rushing for 79 yards and no TDs.

Neither guy was asked to run a lot since their teams didn't use the RPO often. Young did prove repeatedly that he could scramble and dance around in the backfield with the best of them.

Yeah, when he said "can't run," I was like, "What is he talking about?" 

 

Anyway, I think you have to look at the complete picture and go from there. Size can be a concern, but is it enough to justify picking the bigger guy over the smaller guy? That's the central question. People keep harping on "availability" like it's a fait accomplice that Young won't be available. I don't think that you can say that with any legit credibility because availability was not a problem for Young during his time at Bama, and the SEC is filled with skilled, big guys with bad intentions. The fact is, Young held his own and won a Heisman to boot. 

All that being said, there is an argument that Stroud, with his prototypical size and skill is the better pick than the arguably more skilled Young with his minimal size in refence to NFL history. Hell, there is an argument that Stroud is a better QB (taking size out the equation), probably due to whatever particular schemes and offense a coach likes to run, but...there is also an argument that Young is better fit for any scheme due to his pocket awarenesses and escapability factor that he displayed on his way to the Heisman. 

Getting back to the argument, "There has never been a QB his size in the NFL...[blah blah blah]," or, excuse me, "today's NFL...;" just because you haven't had many QBs under 6' and/or 200 pounds win Super Bowls doesn't mean that it can't or won't happen. I just don't generally accept that argument; but, in this specific case I could argue that if there is any QB that can do it (really again, because Russ did it once and should've done it twice), it's Bryce Young. He put on a display in the undisputed best conference in college football, against what I'll call "farm teams for the NFL." Moreover, I can easily say that the "modern NFL" has been developed to afford QBs maximum protection, so that is another reason why size of the QB takes on less importance than it did when Jim McMahon held the Lombardi above his head.

I tell you all this because everything matters, but what matters the most is what our coaches think---what our execs think. All the Huddle debating and pontificating is interesting (if not annoying sometimes), but I truly believe that either of the young men (no pun intended) will possibly be the best QB this franchise has ever had, and can have good or even great careers, and I doubt that it's going to come down to size when all the dust has settled over the years. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by top dawg

[frankw]

I'm kinda getting to the point where I almost want us to take Young. And then if he gets banged up because our OL is still a work in progress (it is folks and March hopium doesn't change this) watch them groan saying how could this happen. It will be entertaining at least.

[Donald LaFell]

You shouldn’t trade up to #1 to compromise on anything. Smarts/talent can be evaluated subjectively but size is what it is.

[top dawg]

20 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'm kinda getting to the point where I almost want us to take Young. And then if he gets banged up because our OL is still a work in progress (it is folks and March hopium doesn't change this) watch them groan saying how could this happen. It will be entertaining at least.

Any QB can get hurt. Injuries are a part of the game. If we draft Young, some may groan when he gets hurt, just like some will apparently be giddy to say, "I told you so," when he gets hurt. I don't think it will be entertaining at all. But I do think it will be entertaining when he gets back out there on the field and puts the size argument---at the very least in reference to him---to bed.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Any QB can get hurt. Injuries are a part of the game. If we draft Young, some may groan when he gets hurt, just like some will apparently be giddy to say, "I told you so," when he gets hurt. I don't think it will be entertaining at all. But I do think it will be entertaining when he gets back out there on the field and puts the size argument---at the very least in reference to him---to bed.

You're doing some word twisting there. Sports talk is entertainment. I did not say I would be entertained by an injury to him or anyone else. But there is a reality that he may be more likely to get banged up. If it can happen to Matt Corral it can happen to him or even Stroud. This is why it's important to keep investing in the oline. Some of you are happy with recent moves but I do see warning signs if we aren't careful. We are basically hitting reset on the offense. Can't afford any misses right now. Fitterer has got to be A+.

[MechaZain]

36 minutes ago, frankw said:

I'm kinda getting to the point where I almost want us to take Young. And then if he gets banged up because our OL is still a work in progress (it is folks and March hopium doesn't change this) watch them groan saying how could this happen. It will be entertaining at least.

In that spirit imagine this place if we take Stroud and Young ends up being elite and more available.

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

In that spirit imagine this place if we take Stroud and Young ends up being elite and more available.

Oh believe me I've already been considering this possibility. Same can be said for vice versa if we take Young and Stroud or one of the others becomes a star. It's a pickle.

[ForJimmy]

I think both prospects are great passers. We also have a great staff that is equipped to develop either QB. I lean Stroud because there isn’t much our staff can do to overcome Young’s weakness in his size.