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John Ellis on Stroud v Young

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1 hour ago, Wolfcop said:

Young is inaccurate when he can’t get his whole body into deep throws. That, along with being the tiniest NFL QB in the modern era is very concerning.

How about actually drafting the most accurate passer in the last several years?!

Plus, one of the knocks on Bryce Young is that his arm strength is modest by NFL standards and that he would be in the bottom half of starters in that area. 

Youngs physical strength is questioned as well, making Pro Scouts say he would have to strain to make throws in tough conditions.

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15 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Any QB can be a bust. That's already understood. It's just that some are less likely tjan others, and some are more suited for the modern NFL style of play than others.

Agreed. The top 2 QBs could both work in the NFL and should have a higher chance of success. No one is going to be surprised if either one is picked first. Both Stroud and Young dominated the college level of the sport, but it’s a lot more difficult at the next level.

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1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

I mean this is weird guess work from you, but you're also missing out one of the most important voices in the building - Dan Morgan. 

U r right, forgot abt Dan.
I have no idea Whr he leans like Caldwell. Neither have spoken to the media or did a press conference or video unlike the others I have guessed on.
So why is my guessing weird?

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1 hour ago, rodeo said:

the way I see it: Young has a higher ceiling, Stroud has a higher floor.

Young could be a spectacular QB, or he could suck ass and we could go 3-14.

Stroud could be a great QB, or he could be an average good QB and we could go 8-9 or 7-10.

tbh to me there's not much difference between 3-14 and 8-9. in fact i'd kinda rather be 3-14 so we can suck and make changes, rather than drift in the middle for another 6 years, not bad enough to fire people but not good enough to win anything.

At least 3-14 gives u hope to draft ur next spectacular QB.

7-10 to 10-7 back n forth is purgatory. It gets u stuck with a QB u payed top dollars but feel like u have to get rid off…Goff, tannehill, cousins, dak, garapollo.

exactly where the Giants r going to find themselves.

take a chance on spectacular! 

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8 minutes ago, Ivory Panther said:

At least 3-14 gives u hope to draft ur next spectacular QB.

7-10 to 10-7 back n forth is purgatory. It gets u stuck with a QB u payed top dollars but feel like u have to get rid off…Goff, tannehill, cousins, dak, garapollo.

exactly where the Giants r going to find themselves.

take a chance on spectacular! 

3-14 gives houston more ammunition to add weapons to their superstar QB Stroud that we passed on.

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