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A CASE FOR DRAFTING HERBERT I MEAN LEVIS


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15 minutes ago, NAS said:

Nowhere near the same player 

According to TV pundits and people on their forum  Herbert wasn't going to be the same player we know today. He was going to be a bust, thing is people like to act like they no the future but are often wrong. For all I know some qb in the 3rd round becomes the best pick of the draft. But the Levis bashing is off the charts

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Because of the annual hype train that is a QB class.  prospects get pushed to the moon.  AR and Levis are way too raw and unproven to be expected to start right away. That is how you end up with Malik and Lance situations. Josh Allen was a anomaly.  Buffalo coaches knew what to do with him. Basically call plays like they still had Cam. Josh also had that IT factor.  He wanted to be the best. I think AR has a similar rare blend of talent and desire to excel. Levis seems like a Paxton Lynch, Drew Lock, Bortles and yes Darnold. He is gonna need some really good coaching and luck to earn his draft position

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3 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

Levis is the quintessential million dollar arm with a five cent head. he has flame out written all over him.

The arm isn't even that good. He got out thrown by CJ at the combine. He also looked like he was about to pass out at his pro day huffing and puffing after 15 minutes of muscle head balls

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8 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

Levis is the quintessential million dollar arm with a five cent head. he has flame out written all over him.

Where has this intelligence thing has popped up from?  Everything says he's an intelligent guy. His issues aren't in his head. I don't think you can find an analysis of him that doesn't say he's intelligent.

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8 minutes ago, csx said:

Where has this intelligence thing has popped up from?  Everything says he's an intelligent guy. His issues aren't in his head. I don't think you can find an analysis of him that doesn't say he's intelligent.

I"m guessing you haven't looked at his tiktok page. He's obviously the least mature guy in this group and almost 3 years older than the others

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16 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I"m guessing you haven't looked at his tiktok page. He's obviously the least mature guy in this group and almost 3 years older than the others

I've seen it. He's a college kid trying to be funny.

I don't want anything to do with him. But nobody brings that up when giving a real analysis of him. They frequently mention his football IQ. He looks like the dumb jock type but that doesn't seem to be the case.

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3 hours ago, csx said:

I've seen it. He's a college kid trying to be funny.

I don't want anything to do with him. But nobody brings that up when giving a real analysis of him. They frequently mention his football IQ. He looks like the dumb jock type but that doesn't seem to be the case.

when you’re interviewing for a job worth millions/year, it’s not generally advised to act like a college kid trying to be funny.

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