The Athletic: Insight to Brian Burns Contract

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

I told yall he wanted Nick Bosa money and that's why a deal wasn't done yet.

You want us to pat you on the back?  You may have been the first but I think the majority didn't think he deserved Bosa money.  I'm not trying to be a smart ass but......never mind.

[Tbe]

2 minutes ago, Castavar said:

As I've said all along, 2 firsts was an overpay for Burns. We should've done the deal. Now we get this. Fitt ain't it.

Those two 1st rounders would have probably both been top 5 picks as Kupp is seeing a specialist and Stafford's spinal problems. Was a dumb decision then not to take t hose picks, and it's still a dumb decision now.

Neither Fitt nor Frank have until 2026 to see if those picks pan out.

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, ladypanther said:

Some incentives would be nice...do they ever get put into this type of contact?

In 5th year......I don't know?

[ForJimmy]

The Rams deal was a good offer, but keep in mind future and even further future firsts have much less value to GMs than current firsts. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Goff is gonna get around 37-40m a season from the Lions. 

Excluding his rookie season….he has won in 5 of his 6 seasons as a starting QB with 3 Pro Bowls. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The Rams deal was a good offer, but keep in mind future and even further future firsts have much less value to GMs than current firsts. 

True.  But those future first are more in line for a franchise taking the #1 overall QB in this years draft than some other teams.   Those are assets to build around him.  Which will be the focus in the upcoming seasons. 

[t96]

1 hour ago, Smithers said:

For 23M, he better get 15 sacks and not get taken out of the game on run plays by tight ends. 

look at Crosby's stats vs. Burns'. Burns is a better player, that's just the going rate for pass rushers. Watt/Bosa are up in the 27/28 range and I don't think Burns has earned that but I'd do 24-25. Would be great to keep him for less but pass rushers get paid, and that market gets reset every year. 

[raleigh-panther]

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Imagine trading your homegrown talent and best defensive player for some unknown picks.

 

The thought process within this fanbase is baffling. I truly don't understand some of these comments. Go to any other sub and ask them to trade their best defensive player for some picks and see how that goes...

 

With a straight face you're suggesting we trade our best defensive player who's just entering his prime?

 

 

 

For two first rds, I’d do that in a New York minute given the situation of not having a qb 

I like burns but two things and I’ll get blasted for it

1. Terrible against the run 

2. Not there in big games, yes, I know he was ‘the only panthers player the opposing team needed to scheme for’…all the more reason to send him and take those picks to build the roster 

‘hindsight is 20 20’ but he is nowhere near the top 3 edges for that money and if you had a team dumb enough to offer, 2 ones, you take it 

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

True.  But those future first are more in line for a franchise taking the #1 overall QB in this years draft than some other teams.   Those are assets to build around him.  Which will be the focus in the upcoming seasons. 

True but it’s a slippery slope. Without Burns we would probably reach on a pass rusher in the 2nd leaving Young without Mingo. I mean if our front 7 looks questionable now, imagine it without Burns. Those Rams picks can’t be used until the next two drafts.

[ClawOn]

Burns will play Sunday. He'll sign an extension before or after that. I'm looking forward to the game.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, t96 said:

look at Crosby's stats vs. Burns'. Burns is a better player, that's just the going rate for pass rushers. Watt/Bosa are up in the 27/28 range and I don't think Burns has earned that but I'd do 24-25. Would be great to keep him for less but pass rushers get paid, and that market gets reset every year. 

[WarPanthers89]

You don’t let players like Brian Burns get away…..period. Some of you are valid that Burns does not have have X factor impact on every game he has played, but he easily could reach that level and has shown improvement every year he’s played. He has been apart of some really bad teams, where our offense has given us zero chance to win. Some of you are valid in saying he’s not a top 3 player yet, but he’s close, and other than QB, he is playing a role that is the hardest to find, hence the reason his position pays so well. As you can tell, we have struggled to get someone solid you can depend on, on the opposite side of Burns, and he’s still producing at an all pro level. Take a second and imagine our team playing all year without spider man……it would be a disaster for our defense. 

[raleigh-panther]

5 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

You don’t let players like Brian Burns get away…..period. Some of you are valid that Burns does not have have X factor impact on every game he has played, but he easily could reach that level and has shown improvement every year he’s played. He has been apart of some really bad teams, where our offense has given us zero chance to win. Some of you are valid in saying he’s not a top 3 player yet, but he’s close, and other than QB, he is playing a role that is the hardest to find, hence the reason his position pays so well. As you can tell, we have struggled to get someone solid you can depend on, on the opposite side of Burns, and he’s still producing at an all pro level. Take a second and imagine our team playing all year without spider man……it would be a disaster for our defense. 

It’s a business these days 

Rookie  contracts for QBs are a lot cheaper …the same with other premium positions 

it’s an unknown and a ‘what if’ but quite honestly, please tell me 3 meaningful games in his career that he was the change agent?

if I’m a GM, that’s what I look at for premium money.  Tj watt in a 3 4 defense is a change agent, is burns?  And yes of course it’s supposedly a different position DE vs LB but it is yet to be seen if burns even fits it in real action with the new system 

let me be clear, I hope he does 

Edited September 4, 2023 by raleigh-panther

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

True but it’s a slippery slope. Without Burns we would probably reach on a pass rusher in the 2nd leaving Young without Mingo. I mean if our front 7 looks questionable now, imagine it without Burns. Those Rams picks can’t be used until the next two drafts.

Why do you lose Mingo? You get pick 36 and still have 39. So they could have had D. Hall, Foskey, or Ojulari already. Plus 30M/year to spend. And if Stafford gets hurt and they wind up top 3-5, you will find out how valuable those future firsts are. Think Marvin Harrison Jr would help a young QB.