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Bryce is going to be a good QB btw...

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LinvilleGorge Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Car123 said:

60 air yards

He has the arm…

The difference here is that the closest defender in front of him was a good five yards away. The pocket is usually muddy in the NFL and you're almost never going to have five yards of open field in front of you to wind up to go deep. That's why a lot of guys that have NFL average arms threw at a good velocity at the Combine. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 59mph at the Combine. Cam threw it 56mph. But who has the stronger arm in NFL game action? It's kinda like 40 time and "game speed". What Bryce was able to do in college just hasn't translated so far in the NFL with overall bigger, faster, smarter, more experienced defensive players opposing him in more complex schemes.

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6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Everyone compares him to Brees (I say Brees-lite), but Brees was deadly accurate at every level. He didn't have a strong NFL arm, but he hit those deep shots with pinpoint accuracy when given 1-on-1 opportunities down the field. 

Young hasn't even hit the same area code and I don't think he'll ever be able to with his current technique. 

I'd you don't have a great arm you have to make up for it with great accuracy and anticipation. Bryce shows decent anticipation and good accuracy in the short to mid-range throws but his deep accuracy has just been flat out bad. There's really no way to sugarcoat that aspect.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd you don't have a great arm you have to make up for it with great accuracy and anticipation. Bryce shows decent anticipation and good accuracy in the short to mid-range throws but his deep accuracy has just been flat out bad. There's really no way to sugarcoat that aspect.

He throws from his tip toes, so every pass is an arm throw.

In that highlight above he gets time to load up - you don't get that type of time / space in the NFL. Any QB on an NFL roster (past and present) could have hit that pass - it wasn't a difficult throw at all.

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21 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

It's not even that we ask him to go vertical, it's that he literally can't. Those plays are basically out of the playbook at this point.

Can’t go vertical, he just can not do it. Take it out of the playbook. Doesn’t have the arm strength.

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15 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Everyone compares him to Brees (I say Brees-lite), but Brees was deadly accurate at every level. He didn't have a strong NFL arm, but he hit those deep shots with pinpoint accuracy when given 1-on-1 opportunities down the field. 

Young hasn't even hit the same area code and I don't think he'll ever be able to with his current technique. 

Are comparing Rookie Brees to Bryce or Prime Brees? 

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9 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

He throws from his tip toes, so every pass is an arm throw.

In that highlight above he gets time to load up - you don't get that type of time / space in the NFL. Any QB on an NFL roster (past and present) could have hit that pass - it wasn't a difficult throw at all.

Hell, sometimes he literally jumps like a frog with his shoulders square to the field and tries to throw. That poo has to stop. Nobody can generate any velocity like that.

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6 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Are comparing Rookie Brees to Bryce or Prime Brees? 

Either way he's a hall of famer and the most consistently accurate QB of all time. We need to stop with these desperate comparisons. Right now we just need our QB to prove he was worthy of the top pick.

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14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The difference here is that the closest defender in front of him was a good five yards away. The pocket is usually muddy in the NFL and you're almost never going to have five yards of open field in front of you to wind up to go deep. That's why a lot of guys that have NFL average arms threw at a good velocity at the Combine. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 59mph at the Combine. Cam threw it 56mph. But who has the stronger arm in NFL game action? It's kinda like 40 time and "game speed". What Bryce was able to do in college just hasn't translated so far in the NFL with overall bigger, faster, smarter, more experienced defensive players opposing him in more complex schemes.

Rewatch the game from today, watch all Tua’s deep passes. Clean pocket, plenty of room in front of him. We have probably the worst interior OL in the NFL and pressure up the middle is going to majorly affect a quarterbacks accuracy. You can not just sit there and say pressure doesn’t matter. Pressure is going to majorly impact any quarterback attempting a deep pass.

His go ball is definitely off rn and he will have to work on throwing it in tighter spaces. I don’t think he trusts Chark either, who is really our only go ball option.

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Just now, thebdawg said:

Can’t go vertical, he just can not do it. Take it out of the playbook. Doesn’t have the arm strength.

Both highlights are a heaves straight down the field.  Problem being that we don't have elite WRs with elite speed and he has super clean pockets with ample time in those clips.  It's almost like a 7-on-7 drill in those examples.  Even the weakest arm QB in NFL (if there was such a metric) can toss it 50 yards in the air under optimal circumstances.  Can he do it from a muddy pocket, unable to climb the pocket and in a tight window?  He hasn't shown that ability yet in the NFL.

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