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It’s beyond time to bench Bryce.

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Some people need to chill. Scheme and coaching go a long way. Right now, our situation sucks, point blank. Bryce can be a decent player. Is he a world beater? Who knows. However, athletically and skill-wise there’s no way Purdy is more talented. However, the scheme and coaching are good. The real question is can this organization put him in a position to have success. 

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The receivers usually had 3-4 yards of separation and the OL gave him time. People talk about Bama being "down" his final year, but a down Bama is still a top 10 college roster. This narrative that Bryce was making chicken salad out of chicken poo at ALA-fuging-BAMA was always absurd.

Bama would not have beaten Georgia yesterday with Bryce. He’s always been limited.  

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6 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

Some people need to chill. Scheme and coaching go a long way. Right now, our situation sucks, point blank. Bryce can be a decent player. Is he a world beater? Who knows. However, athletically and skill-wise there’s no way Purdy is more talented. However, the scheme and coaching are good. The real question is can this organization put him in a position to have success. 

I think his ceiling is probably Chad Pennington or Alex Smith at this point, yeah. And that's generous. He did have some flashes today at least.

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I think his ceiling is probably Chad Pennington or Alex Smith at this point, yeah. And that's generous. He did have some flashes today at least.

I can definitely see that. I do think he’s more of a game manager. Now, is that worthy of the #1 pick? My opinion was no, but I haven’t seen him with competent coaching and scheme either.

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1 hour ago, Wanderlai said:

The Bryce experiment is finished. He will start next year and barring a friggin intervention from God he will be gone in 25. The only reason he has not been benched is because Tepper sold the farm for the #1 pick and is forcing him out there. 

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2 minutes ago, Tarheel119 said:

I can definitely see that. I do think he’s more of a game manager. Now, is that worthy of the #1 pick? My opinion was no, but I haven’t seen him with competent coaching and scheme either.

This is the first game I've been genuinely infuriated by scheming. Under-the-center worked all day. Pistol did not work at all, but they kept going to it. There was zero faith in Chubba despite him balling out. Literally just run the ball with Chubba under center, the Bucs couldn't stop it all day - it's not that hard.

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44 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Maye can’t even beat NCState. Give me a break. 

NC State has defeated a number of good NFL QBs. They're never good enough to compete nationally or even for the acc title, but they are good enough to absolutely surprise a team or two almost every year. Maye is 6'4" with a cannon. He's gonna be good on Sundays.

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5 minutes ago, TN05 said:

I think his ceiling is probably Chad Pennington or Alex Smith at this point, yeah. And that's generous. He did have some flashes today at least.

His flashes were still less than perfect balls.  I would consider flashes 'ideal' passes, but too few in number.  Flashes for Bryce are balls that could be prefect and happen to work, but could be better.  The double move Chark had today is a perfect example. The DB was beat, period and while it was a completion for a big gain, a perfectly thrown ball has Chark waltzing in the end zone.  As it was, the ball was under thrown. Chark had to slow down and turn around  with the ball going out of the field of play instead leading his man in stride.

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      How am I all over the place?  I'm still saying that. I'm saying that Chark at his best and T-Mac right now, on the same team right now for the 2025 season, T-Mac would be ahead of him on the depth chart Week 1. Because in the same way everyone is saying, "T-Mac hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet", the very same is true to say, "nothing Chark did in his past matters moving forward" His peak was a 1,008 yard season where he was the only decent WR on a terrible team.  He didn't put up the 1k yard season because he was a great WR, it was because of how bad the rest of them on the team were. His stats aren't the same as his ability, and his ability was never all that good to begin with. Hell, most of this board agrees that T-Mac is our #1 right now, even if Thielen is Bryce's #1 option early in the saeson just because of the comfort level there, he's still just a slot safety valve and T-Mac is our #1. If you put peak Chark on the roster RIGHT NOW (even without T-Mac)... is anyone even putting him over Thielen, XL, or Coker going into this season? I'm honestly not sure many of us would consider him as such, because even at his best, he was just a JAG.  So if the same people who are okay with T-Mac being ahead of those guys right now, wouldn't put Chark above them, how can you in the same breath say Chark was better than T-Mac already is now?
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      Dude... you're just all over the place. You're the one who said T-Mac is better right now than Chark was at his best.
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      When I say "average NFL WR", for me, that's comparing him to all WRs in the league during that season/span of time.  He was of course better than those #4-6 WR's that can't even get on the field, but talent/ability wise, he probably wasn't any better than a #3 WR for most NFL teams, he just happened to be on one of the teams in 2019 with even worse WR's so he put up solid stats for the season. Here's more or less how I'm looking at it. Take T-Mac right now and Chark at his best, put them on every NFL team at this very moment, and where would they fall on the depth chart come Week 1 (basically, the teams that don't put the rookies at #1 to "make them earn it in camp" don't count, it's projecting week 1 depth charts). T-Mac would be at worst the #2 WR on the majority of teams this season, (hell, he's likely our #1 at this very moment right now already), peak Chark would not.  Yes, T-Mac still has to prove himself at this level, but his current ability, even as a rookie who hasn't played a snap yet, would have him above Chark on any team's week 1 depth chart. Because again, you can't just fall back on "well Chark had a 1,000 yard season" and use that as the reason for having him above T-Mac.  As he didn't have that 1k yards because he was a beast, it was because he was the only halfway decent receiving option on a bad team that was always losing and passing the ball (the Jags had the 7th worst scoring differential that season).
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