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89's reaction to the Combine


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26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We have holes all over this roster. The only way we're gonna dig our way out of the substantial hole we've dug ourselves is to draft good football players. I don't even care about position, just get me good football players. 

Yep. BPA all the way.

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I wanted more from 89.  Not mentioning names....I mean, your opinion is why we watch.  Ladd?  Pearsall?  it was encouraging to hear what he said about Legette.  I thought he was rough at the combine.  He sees more than we do and he knows more--I trust him. 

So if we get a highly rated player who cannot run routes and he drops out of round 1, do you take him or the kid with a notch less talent who runs good routes?  

I thought they were going to mention Stephen Hill at one point--I think Smitty wanted to.

The screwdriver metaphor was very interesting--out routes vs in routes in relation to Mingo.  We could have an improved player in Mingo.

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30 minutes ago, DJ feed me moore said:

and we will get the 8-9th best one. another jag who you pray can be a WR2

A ton of the top WRs in the league have been from after the first round

 

Stevon Diggs

Devante Adams

Cooper Kupp

DK Metcalf

Tyler Lockett

Puka

Tyreek

Terry McLaurin 

AJ Brown

Amon-Ra St. Brown

Keenan Allen

Chris Godwin

hell, even our own Steve smith 

 

yea of course you got your first round guys like Chase or Jefferson but there’s historically been a *ton* of WR talent from after the first. Finding good wide receivers after the first is definitely possible, it’s done pretty much every year, just not by us lol. 

 

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This team isn't so devoid of talent that it'd make sense to draft a defensive player other than pass rusher. No other position is in play on the defense with 33. 

WR, OG, OC and TE are much much much bigger needs. Maybe QB, but they need to improve these positions before they really know what they have at QB. 

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31 minutes ago, Coheed said:

A ton of the top WRs in the league have been from after the first round

 

Stevon Diggs

Devante Adams

Cooper Kupp

DK Metcalf

Tyler Lockett

Puka

Tyreek

Terry McLaurin 

AJ Brown

Amon-Ra St. Brown

Keenan Allen

Chris Godwin

hell, even our own Steve smith 

 

yea of course you got your first round guys like Chase or Jefferson but there’s historically been a *ton* of WR talent from after the first. Finding good wide receivers after the first is definitely possible, it’s done pretty much every year, just not by us lol. 

 

and each draft is it's own thing.  It's WR heavy.....and then on top of it, the first round is going to have more QBs likely going than average.  Also a good OL draft.  So talent wise.  Some of these WRs going at the end of round 1 would be going higher if this was another draft class they were coming in with.   

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1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

I disagree.   On paper this is one of the best and deepest wr drafts there has been.  Its a perfect time to need a wr and not have a pick before 33.

There’s literally no perfect time to be the worst team in the league without your first pick. What a wild thing to say 

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Historically Steve Smith is a terrible WR talent evaluator. I couldn't care less what he has to say about any prospect. But I see from comments here he mentioned Mingo, so I thought I'd go give a listen to at least that part of his nonsense.

Wow. Just wow. Dumbest take I've heard in quite some time.

1. If 2 teams had Mingo over Dell I'd be shocked and would say if they did, they are on par with the putrid scouting department the Panthers have had over the last 3+ years and as putrid as Steve Smith himself. 

2. A VAST majority of MIngo's routes were outs. Here's just ONE game chart of Mingo's routes. Hmmm, that sure looks like a ton of out breaking routes to me.

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3. Even if he was correct in his assumption that Mingo didn't excel because of the scheme, which he wasn't, why would he think that a WR that can't win in 2/3 of the field is a good prospect?? He's an out breaking WR? So drags, and slants, and basics and posts, and skinny posts and in breaking curls he's not that good at?? He's an out breaking WR?? Ignorant. A prospect that he describes is a 6th round WR, at best.

4. The only thing worse than listening to Steve Smith talk about WR talent is listening to him try to be a commentator for an NFL game. The only reason he's still relevant in the least, is the fact that at any time he could say something so stupid or so controversial that it would boost ratings/clicks/comments.

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 Mingo... I’d say his first year was washed from the coaching turmoil; but he got a lot of reps and I expect this coming year to show him ready to compete. I don’t think he has a good QB throwing to him though, so my expectations are tempered. 

edit: if he had a league average QB throwing to him, he could possibly be a league average #2? I don’t know how to tell in this situation. You guys talking about taking all this time to  ‘fairly’ evaluate Bryce..... how can you evaluate players off of playing with him?

This was just such a misguided plan.

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3 hours ago, DJ feed me moore said:

Dont wanna go WR at 33. Just feels like your gunna draft a guy with major hole's in his game, we need football players at every level, get the BPA.

...its our mantra bruh... Go BPA ...if you trust our scouting dept...

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19 hours ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps the most important nugget at ~12 minute mark: You armchair scouts trying to tell him that he didn't know what he was talking about in regards to Mingo need to chill (or STFU).

Steve stop lurking and post with us big bro

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